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[chuckChuck]

So if a carbon tax adds to cost of everything then so do any increase in the price of energy caused by market forces.

I don't hear anybody complaining about higher energy costs from market forces killing farming.

As it stands most of the carbon tax will be returned to the economy in some form.

Most of it currently comes back in rebates to consumers if you don't have a provincial carbon tax.

APAS estimated that a $170 carbon tax would add up about $12.00 per acre. That's significant but not insurmountable. Saskatchewan could rebate $12 per acre to farmers if it had its own program.

[Flatlander]

You can read about the author Ian Clark here.

https://www.desmog.com/ian-clark/ https://www.desmog.com/ian-clark/

Ian Clark looks to be an climate change denial activist working for special interests groups like the oil industry.

Member of the right wing Heartland Institute.

Quote “The pollution and emissions from the oil sands have been greatly exaggerated."

Not according to the late David Schindler from the U of Alberta.

Oil sands polluting Canadian river system: study

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oilsands-environment-idUSTRE67T3H920100830 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oilsands-environment-idUSTRE67T3H920100830

BS chuck

[sumdumguy]

Why on earth would you try to cover hundreds of square miles with solar panels and windmills? Climate nutjobs.[/QUOTE]

They will erect the solar panels because “government” gives them a big grant and a supply contract. On farm, totally erect set-ups out in the open prairie, wonder how they will withstand the first wind. I would feel better if they funded their own projects without subsidy.

[blackpowder]

So if a carbon tax adds to cost of everything then so do any increase in the price of energy caused by market forces.

I don't hear anybody complaining about higher energy costs from market forces killing farming.

As it stands most of the carbon tax will be returned to the economy in some form.

Most of it currently comes back in rebates to consumers if you don't have a provincial carbon tax.

APAS estimated that a $170 carbon tax would add up about $12.00 per acre. That's significant but not insurmountable. Saskatchewan could rebate $12 per acre to farmers if it had its own program.

I realize this thinking has been around a long time so will not beat a dead horse for long.

Market forces increasing prices are natural cause and effect with dollars being created by demand. Key words create and demand.
Taxes are not a natural economic force.
Once at a burdensome level they are a drag. They are spent on unappreciative programs and therefore need to increase over time, naturally. Eventually more dollars move underground.
A completely refundable tax is by definition bs.
If only consumption taxes were redistributed completely and changed human behavior. Nobody would smoke tobacco or pot anymore I guess.
Only $12/ac? I'm glad it's been calculated and determined as that low.
So, if we're not getting that $12 back, how is it all refundable?
How do we add it to the till receipt of a raw commodity?
How is this compared to our competition? US, EU etc.
Glad you will be around when the govt will need ever more. I won't. Have fun with that.

[jazz]

I dont expect the physics challenged like chuck to understand, but to electrify everything would cause staggering line losses just getting that power to where its needed. Line losses can be 10% or higher.

All of this would have to go on new highlines which would be out in winter storms and summer thunderstorms. Solar panels and turbines out in hail storms and tornadoes? The new green jobs will be people scaling power lines.

This climate cult doesnt even think for a second.

[Guest]

https://techxplore.com/news/2021-04-texas-rancher-swaps-oil-turbines.html

[Chief]

What a circle jerk. Take your hard earned dollars away on the one hand but wait for it. On the other hand they’re going to rebate your money back so nothing to get excited about. The only people enjoying this waste of time will be the bureaucrats who I assume will be working for free.

Have a great day.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Consumer is the key word in Chucks propaganda piece.
It won't matter what the consumer gets back from a CO2 tax.
It is businesses who will be paying it all, and not getting it back. Businesses who don't vote.
Businesses who hire employees, who use that income to become consumers.
After driving all the businesses over seas or into bankruptcy by unfairly burdening them with a CO2 tax which their competition around the world is not paying, there will be no jobs, no consumers, no revenue from the CO2 tax to redistribute to the consumers( voters).
And no reduction in CO2 output worldwide, since other countries will fill the void left by our exiting businesses.

How can anyone who pretends to be a farmer ( business owner) be signing up for their own demise?

[Livewire]

BS chuck. Guy from CFIB was here yesterday. He said they’ve calculated the tax per acre with Carbon at $170 per tonne is $30 an acre. $150 thousand dollars for a 5 thousand acre farm

[jazz]

BS chuck. Guy from CFIB was here yesterday. He said they’ve calculated the tax per acre with Carbon at $170 per tonne is $30 an acre. $150 thousand dollars for a 5 thousand acre farm

I would say hoarding urea might be a good venture to get into.