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[Hamloc]

In the Financial Post:”Opinion:Net-zero won’t cure the climate but it might kill Canada.” By Ian Clark Professor of earth and environmental sciences at the University of Ottawa. Every Canadian should read this article, it shows how difficult and expensive Justin Trudeau’s unicorn inspired goals will be to achieve!!

[jazz]

Its too late hamloc. Trudeau is hardly the only one going after this. Every nation is doing it, US, EU and they are in it hard consequences be damned. All of the big corps and banks are on board now.

Canadas energy industry is going to be a shell of itself and carbon intensive industries like mining, ag, export transportation are going to take it. This what the voters wanted. They would rather feel virtuous and be equally poorer. Lets give them what they want.

[Jordy2323]

https://financialpost.com/opinion/opinion-net-zero-wont-cure-the-climate-but-it-may-kill-canada https://financialpost.com/opinion/opinion-net-zero-wont-cure-the-climate-but-it-may-kill-canada

[jazz]

And farmers need to wake up. There are too many guys just thinking shes business as usual here. They are frothing at the mouth for $18 canola and missing whats going on behind the scenes. They are dead wrong.

ESG rules will reach right into your farm in more ways than just a carbon tax. You will eventually have to justify and prove all of your farming method meet sustainable guidelines and if the dont, you exports dont move until they do. You can expect Nitrogen to be heavily taxed and scrutinized. Some of our trusted chemicals probably banned. Wetlands, buffers, mandated shelterbelts, cover crops etc. Its all coming.

Its feelings over facts.

[chuckChuck]

You can read about the author Ian Clark here.

https://www.desmog.com/ian-clark/ https://www.desmog.com/ian-clark/

Ian Clark looks to be an climate change denial activist working for special interests groups like the oil industry.

Member of the right wing Heartland Institute.

Quote “The pollution and emissions from the oil sands have been greatly exaggerated."

Not according to the late David Schindler from the U of Alberta.

Oil sands polluting Canadian river system: study

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oilsands-environment-idUSTRE67T3H920100830 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oilsands-environment-idUSTRE67T3H920100830

[jazz]

You can read about the author Ian Clark

Instead of doxing the author, why dont you refute his argument. He is dead on and your climate cult cant handle the fact that wind and solar will never power anything. The permitting and large tracts of land for these boondoggles will kill them before they start unless a lot of bribes are paid.

John Kerry the US climate czar scuttled an offshore wind farm off his own vacation home. Yeah these are the kind of delusional activists in the climate field.

[beaverdam]

In the Financial Post:”Opinion:Net-zero won’t cure the climate but it might kill Canada.” By Ian Clark Professor of earth and environmental sciences at the University of Ottawa. Every Canadian should read this article, it shows how difficult and expensive Justin Trudeau’s unicorn inspired goals will be to achieve!!

This why I've being saying at every opportunity I can that the Carbon Tax has to be a visible Tax, where everytime you purchase something, you can see on the receipt, the amount of Carbon Tax you paid.

Unlike GST where each processor/developer/manufacturer is rebated the GST Tax at each step, until the consumer buys it at it's final retail cost,,, the amount of Carbon Tax built into the cost of an item is unknown, and inflates the cost of every item as it moves through development. Carbon Tax accumulates at each step, and when a consumer purchases the final product, they have no idea that the Carbon Tax has inflated the item they end up buying. If they actually saw the Tax on the receipt, they may have a different thought about how great the Carbon Tax is, especially the millennials and Gen Zeders, who are most in favor of it.

[nibs1]

You can read about the author Ian Clark here.

https://www.desmog.com/ian-clark/ https://www.desmog.com/ian-clark/

Ian Clark looks to be an climate change denial activist working for special interests groups like the oil industry.

Member of the right wing Heartland Institute.

Quote “The pollution and emissions from the oil sands have been greatly exaggerated."

Not according to the late David Schindler from the U of Alberta.

Oil sands polluting Canadian river system: study

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oilsands-environment-idUSTRE67T3H920100830 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oilsands-environment-idUSTRE67T3H920100830

BS Chuck

[Hamloc]

You can read about the author Ian Clark here.

https://www.desmog.com/ian-clark/ https://www.desmog.com/ian-clark/

Ian Clark looks to be an climate change denial activist working for special interests groups like the oil industry.

Member of the right wing Heartland Institute.

Quote “The pollution and emissions from the oil sands have been greatly exaggerated."

Not according to the late David Schindler from the U of Alberta.

Oil sands polluting Canadian river system: study

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oilsands-environment-idUSTRE67T3H920100830 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oilsands-environment-idUSTRE67T3H920100830

Show me where his math is wrong!!!!

[jazz]

China and India are going right around the climate cult to nuclear. They arent even going to try to fk around with solar and wind for 3 billion people.

Japan is restarting its Fukishima reactors, France is refurbishing theirs to last another 50 yrs. SMR tech is advancing rapidly. A SMR reactor the size of a grain bin can power a small city. Why on earth would you try to cover hundreds of square miles with solar panels and windmills? Climate nutjobs.

[chuckChuck]

So if a carbon tax adds to cost of everything then so do any increase in the price of energy caused by market forces.

I don't hear anybody complaining about higher energy costs from market forces killing farming.

As it stands most of the carbon tax will be returned to the economy in some form.

Most of it currently comes back in rebates to consumers if you don't have a provincial carbon tax.

APAS estimated that a $170 carbon tax would add up about $12.00 per acre. That's significant but not insurmountable. Saskatchewan could rebate $12 per acre to farmers if it had its own program.

[Flatlander]

You can read about the author Ian Clark here.

https://www.desmog.com/ian-clark/ https://www.desmog.com/ian-clark/

Ian Clark looks to be an climate change denial activist working for special interests groups like the oil industry.

Member of the right wing Heartland Institute.

Quote “The pollution and emissions from the oil sands have been greatly exaggerated."

Not according to the late David Schindler from the U of Alberta.

Oil sands polluting Canadian river system: study

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oilsands-environment-idUSTRE67T3H920100830 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oilsands-environment-idUSTRE67T3H920100830

BS chuck

[sumdumguy]

Why on earth would you try to cover hundreds of square miles with solar panels and windmills? Climate nutjobs.[/QUOTE]

They will erect the solar panels because “government” gives them a big grant and a supply contract. On farm, totally erect set-ups out in the open prairie, wonder how they will withstand the first wind. I would feel better if they funded their own projects without subsidy.

[blackpowder]

So if a carbon tax adds to cost of everything then so do any increase in the price of energy caused by market forces.

I don't hear anybody complaining about higher energy costs from market forces killing farming.

As it stands most of the carbon tax will be returned to the economy in some form.

Most of it currently comes back in rebates to consumers if you don't have a provincial carbon tax.

APAS estimated that a $170 carbon tax would add up about $12.00 per acre. That's significant but not insurmountable. Saskatchewan could rebate $12 per acre to farmers if it had its own program.

I realize this thinking has been around a long time so will not beat a dead horse for long.

Market forces increasing prices are natural cause and effect with dollars being created by demand. Key words create and demand.
Taxes are not a natural economic force.
Once at a burdensome level they are a drag. They are spent on unappreciative programs and therefore need to increase over time, naturally. Eventually more dollars move underground.
A completely refundable tax is by definition bs.
If only consumption taxes were redistributed completely and changed human behavior. Nobody would smoke tobacco or pot anymore I guess.
Only $12/ac? I'm glad it's been calculated and determined as that low.
So, if we're not getting that $12 back, how is it all refundable?
How do we add it to the till receipt of a raw commodity?
How is this compared to our competition? US, EU etc.
Glad you will be around when the govt will need ever more. I won't. Have fun with that.

[jazz]

I dont expect the physics challenged like chuck to understand, but to electrify everything would cause staggering line losses just getting that power to where its needed. Line losses can be 10% or higher.

All of this would have to go on new highlines which would be out in winter storms and summer thunderstorms. Solar panels and turbines out in hail storms and tornadoes? The new green jobs will be people scaling power lines.

This climate cult doesnt even think for a second.