EV bullshit , fact checking

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

That $12k is only 100,000km worth of fuel based on 30mpg (12.5km/L) vehicle and $1.50/L fuel. Not bad if true and you could live with a short range vehicle.

Yeah and that price is a bit high as the actual materials to do a 3KW install would be about $1.50-1.75/watt.
If you live in Canada and want to drive in the winter make sure you have at least 400km of range and I would suggest something with dual motors so you have AWD.

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

Find me a 100% reliable replacement so I could take my farm off the grid at an even close to reasonable price I’d be all over it. It’s not the power, it’s the transmission and distribution charges.
Question, do we not own the lines in Alberta, seems to me I paid for them to get it to my yard?
I’m sure 1/2 of my gas bill doesn’t go to those charges, in that case it’s federal fuel charges.

I thought about this too but I think it's a huge advantage to remain connected to this grid. In an off grid system if you generate excess power it is a complete waste. You could figure out something with bitcoin mining but I don't think that's worth the grief. If you have any kind of system failure you can still pull off the grid as a backup. Battery systems are still very expensive per kWh.

Also if you generate 1 kWh the power company will pay you 7 cents. If you use 1 kWh you will pay 20 cents.

[Taiga]

Is there one with AWD?
What is the battery service life? I imagine the full drawdown and full recharge is critical to optimizing battery life. My iPhone battery lasts about 1 to 1.5 years before needing replacement but I don’t try to optimize the charging protocol.

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

Is there one with AWD?
What is the battery service life? I imagine the full drawdown and full recharge is critical to optimizing battery life. My iPhone battery lasts about 1 to 1.5 years before needing replacement but I don’t try to optimize the charging protocol.

If you're looking for AWD all Tesla's have an AWD option. Mustang Mach-E, Porsche Taycan, Polestar 2 and Audi eTron have AWD too. My 2018 model 3 has 190,000km or 8 years of battery warranty. I'm currently at 95,000km and have seen about 8% range loss due to battery degradation (499km new and 460km now). I usually only run the battery down below 30% on road trips and charge to 80% for daily driving. If I'm doing a long trip I'll charge to 100% and leave as soon as it hits 100%.

[furrowtickler]

Good info , thx ab4 for some real life info 👍

[tweety]

When the model T came out did we just say "well guess no one's going to build nice paved roads and gas stations everywhere so I guess we'll just go back to horses!" ?

Also, the average Canadian drives 15200km/year. That's about 42km/day. 42km @ 180Wh/km (120km/h on the highway averaged out for the year) and adjusted for 88% charge efficiency would be an energy cost of 8.6kWh or $1.72/day. You think that the average person using an extra $1.72 of electricity per day would break the grid?

Like Jazz, I also heard from an oil exec that the keystone XL pipeline would bring riches to Alberta, it would make electric vehicles be taken back to the horse age. That oil would be THE resource. No point getting anything electric, our future in oil is now.

Now imagine if Kenny would have spent 1.3 billion + loan guarantees on rechargeable infrastructure - or frankly anything else? Oh right, tax payer subsidies on oil and lost causes are just fine with low IQ Agriville.

[furrowtickler]

Like Jazz, I also heard from an oil exec that the keystone XL pipeline would bring riches to Alberta, it would make electric vehicles be taken back to the horse age. That oil would be THE resource. No point getting anything electric, our future in oil is now.

Now imagine if Kenny would have spent 1.3 billion + loan guarantees on rechargeable infrastructure - or frankly anything else? Oh right, tax payer subsidies on oil and lost causes are just fine with low IQ Agriville.

Imagine if the PM did not waste multi billions the past 6 years throwing away tax payer money all over the world on pet projects and virtue signalling...
talk about low IQ ... the ones running this country are all guilty . Not those of us here , your just being simply ignorant...
go buy a farm , all the equipment, bins , pay all the tax , get all the insurance needed and go farming ... it’s so easy .. with your high IQ it should be super easy ..
or just come back here time to time and be condescending to those who actually make agriculture work ... without those of us left there would be no ag industry period ... yes us , the actual wide range of grain and livestock producers on Agriville .

[tweety]

Imagine if the PM did not waste multi billions the past 6 years throwing away tax payer money all over the world on pet projects and virtue signalling...
talk about low IQ ... the ones running this country are all guilty . Not those of us here , your just being simply ignorant...
go buy a farm , all the equipment, bins , pay all the tax , get all the insurance needed and go farming ... it’s so easy .. with your high IQ it should be super easy ..
or just come back here time to time and be condescending to those who actually make agriculture work ... without those of us left there would be no ag industry period ... yes us , the actual wide range of grain and livestock producers on Agriville .

Ya, but you keep posting you can't make it work. It's doomed. Only loosing money, blah blah blah. Maybe the IQ fits. I own a farm - doesn't mean i have to farm - duh.

This project is specific because you are fine with subsidizing oil (and losing it all) with tax payer money no problem, but when it comes to renewables - nothing. What kind of IQ is that?

[furrowtickler]

Ya, but you keep posting you can't make it work. It's doomed. Only loosing money, blah blah blah. Maybe the IQ fits. I own a farm - doesn't mean i have to farm - duh.

This project is specific because you are fine with subsidizing oil (and losing it all) with tax payer money no problem, but when it comes to renewables - nothing. What kind of IQ is that?

Can’t make it work ? Loosing money ?
Never stated I support oil subsidies
Your throwing assumptions around like others do here
Kinda sad actually.
Farming is real , not easy . Being a critical by stander is easy though .
Have a good weekend

[jazz]

Can’t make it work ? Loosing money ?

Well oil is Canadas most valuable export and its highest marginal economic activity and it and its spin offs employ the largest number of people compared to any other industry in this country. Even all the subsidized exported hydro out of BC, Quebec, Ontario and MB cant touch it.

It funds most of the equalization transfers which then go to support basic programs in our lazy provinces and it raises the per capita income of every Canadian by almost $20k.

So I am all ears how our new green economy is going to replace all that. Is Quebec hydro going to reverse fund equalization? Bet they separate before a single penny every leaves that place.

[chuckChuck]

"lazy provinces" LOL just because Alberta was lucky enough to be sitting on a bunch of oil and gas because they won the geology lottery doesn't mean they work harder than other Canadians!
You gotta love people who got rich because of oil, thinking of themselves as harder working and smarter than everyone else! What a simpleton you are Jazz

GDP in Canada by Industry

[TASFarms]

Something is severely wrong when real estate is #1 for gdp. Is China buying up this country.