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[chuckChuck]

There are very few people in Canada who haven't had a childhood vaacine of some type and most people never thought twice about their safety or efficacy.

People who get sick often cling to a notion about what caused it without having much evidence.

Many very serious diseases prior to covid have been eradicated by vaccines.

Small pox being one of the most important diseases eradicated by vaccines but take a look at the small pox photos and the list below of preventable disease and tell us again that vaccines are not a good idea!





Anthrax
Chickenpox (varicella)
Diphtheria
H. influenzae type b
Hepatitis A
Hepatitis B
Human papillomavirus
Influenza
Measles
Meningococcal
Mumps
Pertussis (whooping cough)
Pneumococcal
Polio
Rabies
Rotavirus
Rubella
Shingles (zoster)
Smallpox
Tetanus

[chuckChuck]

How about anthrax?

[chuckChuck]

Or Rabies?

[chuckChuck]

Or hepatitus B?

[A990]

[QUOTE=chuckChuck;496980]Or Rabies?
or dunng kruger

[Austrian Economics]

I do not think you can expect the same outcome in any two places. So, while it is ill advised to compare, look at South Dakota stats:

According to Worldometer SD has recorded 2262 deaths/M. SK has had 448/M. So to compare, SK needs to see another 2130 deaths to have the same outcome as SD.

SD has recorded 123,911 cases while doing 476,597 tests
SK has recorded 45,490 cases while doing 840,457 tests

The stats show there is no comparison.

I wasn't comparing deaths, just vaccination rates versus cases. Of course, the mainstream narrative focuses exclusively on deaths as if no other metric is even worth considering.

"You can't expect the same outcome in any two places" is just a trite excuse that central planners use when they don't want someone to compare their outcomes to anyone else's.

[chuckChuck]

Guess which boy was vaccinated against small pox?


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/smallpox-and-the-photos-anti-vaxxers-dont-want-you-to-see/24MJGHWAIJRJYD6LIPQ6ZTBKHI/ https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/smallpox-and-the-photos-anti-vaxxers-dont-want-you-to-see/24MJGHWAIJRJYD6LIPQ6ZTBKHI/

It was one of the deadliest and most contagious diseases known to humankind.

Smallpox killed over half a billion people in the 20th century alone — three times the number of deaths from all of the century's wars combined.

It began with flu-like symptoms, progressing to an horrendous rash consisting of deep sores, filled with fluid that would blister, ooze, crust and scab over, leaving permanent scars on those lucky enough to survive.
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Just one teaspoon of smallpox virus is enough to infect every man, woman and child on earth, news.com.au reports.

But then a miracle — British doctor Edward Jenner created a vaccine after noticing that the milk maids (the women who milked the cows) who had been infected with "cow pox" never contracted smallpox.

This month marks the 270th birthday of Dr Jenner, known as the pioneer of vaccination who arguably saved more lives than anyone else in history. And yet, despite saving countless lives, he still had to deal with the early "anti-vaxx" movement where in 1796 as well as 2019, the boundaries between opinion and fact are often blurred.

Many people are too young to have ever seen smallpox in their lifetime, or have simply forgotten the sheer horror of the disease.

With a mortality rate of up to 30 per cent, many survivors of smallpox were left with significant scarring and even blindness. Smallpox has no cure, but that didn't stop people from trying, with treatments including being bled, purged, starved, and wrapped tightly in red cloth.

Owen Gower, vaccine expert and museum manager at Dr Jenner's House, told news.com.au it's difficult for many of us to comprehend what was achieved through vaccination against smallpox.
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[Austrian Economics]

AE: Are you in fact saying public funded health care is not funded enough? After all, the privately funded system in the US is the most expensive health care system in the world. Per person health care costs are US$3000.00 per person more annually than anywhere else in the world. Healthcare spending in Canada per person is about 1/2 of the US spend per person We could have more ICU beds too if taxes were raised to an equivalent amount as what US citizens pay in individual health care premiums
U.S. dollars, PPP adjusted, 2019
United States
$10,966
Switzerland
$7,732
Germany
$6,646
Austria
$5,851
Sweden
$5,782
Netherlands
$5,765
Comparable Country Average
$5,697
Belgium
$5,428
Canada
$5,418
France
$5,376
Australia
$5,187
Japan
$4,823
United Kingdom
$4,653
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-spending-u-s-compare-countries/#item-spendingcomparison_health-consumption-expenditures-per-capita-2019 https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-spending-u-s-compare-countries/#item-spendingcomparison_health-consumption-expenditures-per-capita-2019

And by what criteria are you justifying the private system is better? Just by number of hospital/ICU beds? The US has the lowest life expectancy and highest suicide rate of the 11 OECD nations. Its obesity rate is 2 times higher than the OECD rate. It chronic disease rate is much higher than other countries. And the US tops the world in Covid deaths. The Bloomberg Health index rating ranks the US and its private system as 35th in the world whereas Canada ranks 16th and in fact all 34 countries that rank ahead of the US private health care system have universal health care systems.

I've made this point before but I'll make it again here: the United States has a centrally planned medical care system too. It is less centrally planned than ours, so it has better outcomes. But their system focuses on centrally planning the insurance side as opposed to the service delivery side. Their tort law system, which is completely different from ours, adds staggering lawsuit costs which have to be covered by fees.

Rates of chronic disease, obesity and suicide are not dependent on how medical care is paid for. Why are you even making this point? Are you suggesting that someone gets fat because the have to pay insurance premiums?

Canada is nearly alone in the world as a single-payer system. Europe has a huge mixture of public and private service delivery.

Canada's not going to tax it's way out of this collapsing system either. It consumes 50% of provincial budgets as is, when you add in federal transfers.

[chuckChuck]

Chuck answer this, were any one of those vaccines not long term tested or an rna type? I’m not anti vax when there’s enough information to make a logical decision, which in this instance I think there’s enough info out there to make a person hesitant.

ps FO with the scare tactics.

You scared there JWAB? Whats to be scared of? You're bulletproof and 10ft tall?

You can go without vacinations if you want? But likely you were vaccinated for tetanus, measles, mumps,and rubella. Any side effects?

Just don't spread lies and misinformation.

[jazz]

I hate to say it but I’m not for a that reasoning to get the vaccine or just so you can travel. I agree with a lot of your posts and I’m surprised to hear you took that route. I hope it works out though, for yours and my kids sake.

I have never been against vaccinations per se, but very skeptical about a new technology as it has been shown many times that rushed anything usually ends badly.

The concern with mRNA vaccines is that there has to be certainty that messaging signal is turned off and cannot reactivate. I am not 100% sure that has been fully demonstrated as that would take yrs for that to be proven. Unfortunately, our society doesnt have that long to find out so long as tyrant politicians are at the helm. If we keep fighting this virus this way with lockdowns, there will be nothing left.

So a calculated risk on my part so we can stop this here now in the adult population and the next generation isnt paying anymore for this utter stupidity and over reaction.