not marketing but more along the lines of production.. 12'' spacing for Spring wheat

[therealnorthernf]

So looking at changing drills or retrofitting mine..

I have a Morris contour l with Dutch universal spilt seed boots and a 4" flat packer.. really love the results in wheat.. it is on 12" spacing but with the split boots I get roughly a 4" space with the boots and then 8" between rows..

In Canola it usually works ok.. get a rain after seeding and it is GREAT..

I really like the way the narrow seed boot and V packers work in canola.. the neighbours looks great all the time coming through the ground, usually faster through too.

If I retrofit mine to a narrow seed boot and V packer on 12" spacing what can I expect for results in wheat??

I'm not the kind of guy that goes on a neighbours land and checks his crop so I really don't know what my neighbours have for spacing on their drills.. all their crops look good.

[blackpowder]

You do you for sure.
In our area. Tried a 12" space with a 2" spoon years ago. Too much space between rows led to longer time to canopy and increased weed growth and moisture loss.
No drills here are 12 with the exception of odd seedhawk. Good luck. Ask the neighbors.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I'm getting more convinced that I should set up a canola drill, and a cereal drill. Used drills are so cheap, the cost is almost irrelevant. I use Dutch double shoot paired row precision on 10", and they are not at all suited for canola in our soils. Even worse for direct sod seeding. But it always rains, and so it works.

Here ( West central AB), where too much rain is generally the problem, not lack thereof, seedbed utilization is far more important than moisture retention. Some neighbors using full tillage are aiming for almost full seed bed utilization.

I'd rather have a knife opener on 12" spacing probably MRB for most of the fertilizer just for canola, and use the 10" spacing with Dutch for everthing else.

But try to find a used 10" drill, It seems there are 10 times as many 12" spacing out there.

[therealnorthernf]

I'm getting more convinced that I should set up a canola drill, and a cereal drill. Used drills are so cheap, the cost is almost irrelevant. I use Dutch double shoot paired row precision on 10", and they are not at all suited for canola in our soils. Even worse for direct sod seeding. But it always rains, and so it works.

Here ( West central AB), where too much rain is generally the problem, not lack thereof, seedbed utilization is far more important than moisture retention. Some neighbors using full tillage are aiming for almost full seed bed utilization.

I'd rather have a knife opener on 12" spacing probably MRB for most of the fertilizer just for canola, and use the 10" spacing with Dutch for everthing else.

But try to find a used 10" drill, It seems there are 10 times as many 12" spacing out there.

setting up another drill for cereals is an option.. more junk in the yard is the down side.. the dutch openers do a great job but pull like anchors.. a narrow knife on 9-10 in spacing would do a smoother job then the dutch on 12".. but won't produce like the dutch

[Partners]

Has anyone done yield comparisons?
I think our bly looks better than any wide space/ narrow opener in this area.

[sumdumguy]

There aren’t any crops around here that look like that barley. You sure that isn’t trick barley?😂

[Sodbuster]

We have a new drill coming next year at 12” spacing but I’m keeping my old drill at 10” inch spacing for all my cereals, Will do some testing next year to see if I keep the old drill. I’m thinking the 10” will yield more in the end.

[Stormin]

So looking at changing drills or retrofitting mine..

I have a Morris contour l with Dutch universal spilt seed boots and a 4" flat packer.. really love the results in wheat.. it is on 12" spacing but with the split boots I get roughly a 4" space with the boots and then 8" between rows..

In Canola it usually works ok.. get a rain after seeding and it is GREAT..

I really like the way the narrow seed boot and V packers work in canola.. the neighbours looks great all the time coming through the ground, usually faster through too.

If I retrofit mine to a narrow seed boot and V packer on 12" spacing what can I expect for results in wheat??

I'm not the kind of guy that goes on a neighbours land and checks his crop so I really don't know what my neighbours have for spacing on their drills.. all their crops look good.

I Use the same setup 12" spacing, Dutch universal opener and 4"packer. I think it is a good in all situations. I am 100% no-till and works well in most fields except old hay land which I use a JD 750 and disc in canola.

[furrowtickler]

I Use the same setup 12" spacing, Dutch universal opener and 4"packer. I think it is a good in all situations. I am 100% no-till and works well in most fields except old hay land which I use a JD 750 and disc in canola.

We use that same set up on the Bourgault.. always consistent in cereals . Canola was a bit iffy with just the on row shank packers but still was ok majority of time .
Our set up with liquid N/S in Center and twin alpine to each row .
Leaves it rough but still works time after time

[WiltonRanch]

I run stealth 3” pair row on 10” space. Old tech but stands up to rocks and if we are diligent to keep an eye on depth from field to field it has worked well last 10 years. Still would like 8” spacing and 2” spread akin to press drills like old days. Remember when Hudye was doing trials and they always found 5” spaced cereals was best yield. Canola close spacing isn’t necessary but cereals I still think in my black gumbo does better. I’d like to try a different opener sometime but these stealths that come with the drill won’t flipping die. Replace an odd tip and bolt or two but they stand up to rocks. Funny with 30+ year old tech that still has a place. The independent openers come up better initially but yields don’t differ enough to justify the extra hassle. I have a neighbour with an 8810 and mid rows that I think has some of the best crops around and the thing has seen many acres. My drill is a clapped out 1820 Deere which I try to keep on top of issues but the issues get more each year. One day I’ll need something in better shape but I’ll keep it going until I get pissed off enough. I don’t know if I’ll go to independent or find another similar machine.

[fjlip]

Similar here, before any rain, in next field I see a 8810 8" space with poly packers up just as good...maybe $20K value with the AS. Soil needs to be consistent for independent row packing, soft soils seed is deep. C shank can be manually adjusted easily on the go. I seed peat low spots shallow, all up like firm soils. Old tech virtually zero wear, low cost, simple. New Tech a compromise, but less thinking required than depth adjusting. No hired guy would try this hard, just set and go. And can seed all night if needed. Seems like almost every new drill loses all tractor hyd oil sooner or later.

[Guest]

Has anyone done yield comparisons?
I think our bly looks better than any wide space/ narrow opener in this area.

**** partners , you need to get one of those independent million dollar drill
thats no good , lol
FWIW , those 8810's were the best drill ever made !
what is the opener?

[Guest]

Similar here, before any rain, in next field I see a 8810 8" space with poly packers up just as good...maybe $20K value with the AS. Soil needs to be consistent for independent row packing, soft soils seed is deep. C shank can be manually adjusted easily on the go. I seed peat low spots shallow, all up like firm soils. Old tech virtually zero wear, low cost, simple. New Tech a compromise, but less thinking required than depth adjusting. No hired guy would try this hard, just set and go. And can seed all night if needed. Seems like almost every new drill loses all tractor hyd oil sooner or later.

agreed but if you ever tried an edge on shank , you would never go back to a C shank
better straw clearance and don't pull themselves deeper into hard ground

[Partners]

**** partners , you need to get one of those independent million dollar drill
thats no good , lol
FWIW , those 8810's were the best drill ever made !
what is the opener?

3 inch opener..
10 inch space..