Alberta electricity prices: $1/kwh

[LWeber]

So Chuck, if commercial class solar operates at 15% capacity factor is that equivalent to about one day a week?
So if you need power for the other 6 days do you just need another 6 similar solar set ups to cover the other 6 daysor how do you get that covered?

Demand, mainly for air conditioning, boosted power prices for Thursday at the Palo Verde hub <EL-PK-PLVD-SNL> in Arizona to a record $1,420 per megawatt hour, compared with a five-year average of just $32. (Reuters)

[furrowtickler]

I have the solution Larry ..

[LWeber]

I have the solution Larry ..

LOL

David Richardson and I had battery operated safari hats that had built in fans that we wore to the Marble Club ...It was his birthday and that is as far back as I need to remember on that night ...lol

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Demand, mainly for air conditioning, boosted power prices for Thursday at the Palo Verde hub <EL-PK-PLVD-SNL> in Arizona to a record $1,420 per megawatt hour, compared with a five-year average of just $32. (Reuters)

Ya but, Chuck said that solar power is really economical down in the sun belt since peak sun coincides with peak AC demand.
Imagine how expensive rates would have been without all the cheap solar power...
At least I think that is how it works?

[furrowtickler]

Ya but, Chuck said that solar power is really economical down in the sun belt since peak sun coincides with peak AC demand.
Imagine how expensive rates would have been without all the cheap solar power...
At least I think that is how it works?

It’s free power with zero environmental impact

[chuckChuck]

Solar is well suited to the sunbelt as peak demand matches up well with air conditioning peak loads. Look for more and more solar.

You can thank Arizona's deregulated electricity market for the peak prices. High prices are just a market signal. With prices like those that should attract more solar which can produce electricity for a 3-4 cents per kwh.

[shtferbrains]

The high prices are because solar only produces from about 11am to 5pm. Big demand comes when people get home from work on a hot day and the few gas plants they haven't scrapped out have to cover all demand.
They already have more solar than they need ayt the time of day it produces. We should be buying it off the western interconect as iut is about worthless at peak sunlight time.
We could send them hydro in the evening at 5x the price and be 100% green for 20% of the investment.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Aren't economics amazing hey Chuck?
Adding some 3 to 4 cent per kWh sola power only drove the retail cost up to 134 cents per kWh for the consumer.
More regulations would certainly help thought.
For example, Arizona needs to regulate that the sun needs to set 3 hours later to eliminate the duck curve.
Regulate the sun to adjust it's intensity according to demand.
Regulate clouds to stay away.
Regulate consumers to not use AC unless big brother tells them to.

Because, as experience has shown, More regulations, more government, more bureaucrats, less rights, less free market are always the solution to problems caused by more government

[chuckChuck]

A5, I hope you are enjoying paying more your farm electricity in deregulated Alberta than we are paying in regulated Saskatchewan! LOL

[blackpowder]

Anything's cheap as long as you stay in Saskatchewan.

[rumrocks]

With only 5% of the cars in California being electric, the grid is already struggling to meet demand.

[video]Wednesday, Jun 23, 2021 - 04:22 AM It appears as though California's plans to become an environmental and socialist utopia are running face first into reality. The latest dose of reality came this week when the state, facing triple digit temperatures, began to "fret" about pressure on the state's power grid as a result of everybody charging their electric vehicles all at once. The state's power grid operators have been telling residents to "relieve pressure" from the grid by charging their EVs at off-peak hours, Newsweek wrote. Twice last week the California Independent System Operator (ISO) told residents to conserve energy voluntarily, including asking to charge their EVs at certain off-peak times. The ISO also suggested "avoiding use of large appliances and turning off extra lights," the report says. The state's Flex Alert Twitter account posted on June 18: "Now is the perfect time to do a load of laundry. Remember to use major appliances, charge cars and devices before #FlexAlert begins at 6 p.m. today." Despite the fact that the state seems hell bent on converting all of its residents to EVs, Patty Monahan, the lead commissioner on transportation at the California Energy Commission, said that when residents choose to charge their vehicles will be important "in keeping the power grid balanced". "Charging behaviors matter when it comes to California grid goals," she said. "By incentivizing, primarily through rates, charging behaviors that capitalize on when renewable energy is being generated—we basically have a win for the grid, and we have a win for the drivers in terms of reduced rates. Rates are a climate strategy, and California plans on using rates to help drive the charging behaviors that are going to help the state electrify transportation while cutting carbon from the grid and saving ratepayers and drivers money." Matthew Moniot, a researcher with the National Renewable Energy Laboratory said that most drivers who charge at night "will have to change" their routines: "If you look at aggregate load across the grid, it tends to spike in the evening hours whenever people come home." He called it a "tricky problem" that relies on "how much can we move what's currently overnight charging to be during the daytime hours, when generation may be more excessive."

[shtferbrains]

The "tricky problem" they describe is they are already generating surpus power when the sun shines. They need power when people come home from work. It is black dark by 6pm much of year.
So now they can't supply power when demand requires but want the customer to adapt to when it is availlable. Same as they do in 3rd world.
Good luck with that.

[TOM4CWB]

Canada has been “riding the coattails” so to speak with our infrastructure. Pissing away money with nothing to show for it.
There are farm sales with new lines of equipment and junk sales, Canada seems to be taking the junk route. Investing in our own country and people, why would you do that??? One of the greatest nations in the world but run by fools.

Northern BC [Bennet/Peace River] AB, and SK could produce massive Hydro if we had any brains. Dam C [Peace BC Hydro] comes on line in 2025. That system could double generation Cap with a little creativity. Now the dams are in place flow is constant and generation a snap to increase. Cheers

[Patches]

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