Ad hoc payment question

[bucket]

bucket, just curous our young uns cant handle a single bad yr? I know the ag more than ever crowd is aggressive and all, but a single yr wont break these guys will it?

We have had weather disasters before and seem to recover. But then I wasnt making forward contracts back then and paying $100 ac rents.

What is the point of setting guys back a few years just because...

I could ask the same questions as to why the general population couldn't handle the pandemic on their own???

Not being argumentative just throwing some wide angle perspective to it.

Bail out the general population and air lines etc....this government should be able to bail out agriculture..

Every generation has had it....if you look back. Thats why there are 4th and 5th generation farmers.

[GDR]

There will be no ad hoc payment whether there should be or not. If there were to be anything it would be done through Agstab, they have stated that other times. ( I'm not in either)

Regardless a per acre payment doesn't work because the production and expenses per acre are drastically different from one area to the next, reality is that any funding needs to be tied to production or income as they have tried to do with safety net programs.

[bucket]

There will be no ad hoc payment whether there should be or not. If there were to be anything it would be done through Agstab, they have stated that other times. ( I'm not in either)

Regardless a per acre payment doesn't work because the production and expenses per acre are drastically different from one area to the next, reality is that any funding needs to be tied to production or income as they have tried to do with safety net programs.

Probably no adhoc payment but you are competing against very large adhoc payments in the states.

[zeefarmer]

I sure hope the last part of your comment wasn’t serious.

Not one bit.

[SASKFARMER]

Trudeau just gave 20 million to make Toronto patios nicer. Give your head shake farmers we do more than a curb side little pub but were not in vote-rich Ontario so were ****ed.

[ry0972]

An adhoc payment to AG would really help the economy and individual farmers both financially and mentally.
And the idiots in Ottawa have blown BILLIONS in eastern Canada and around the world withZERO retuen for this country!!
BUT I say no to any bailout/cash payment, debt write down programs for grain farmers.
I DO think the cattle industry (I do not have and have never had livestock) needs some serious help to get feed where it is needed and to maybe set a guaranteed price for guys that have to liquidate some or all of their herds. Not a tax credit but make the packers pay and not get animals for next to nothing while beef prices in the store continue to rise.
Since most grain farmers have had the best stretch of good yields and prices in history and now 1 total loss year in the last 10 to 20 depending on area SHOULD NOT require any GOV help!!
There is crop insurance, Ag-Stab, Agri-Invest, GARS and other forms of insurance.
I am only in Agri-Invest and still do not think there should be any type of payment.
If there is it should be MAX of $25K to $50K and done in a way that you can only get that max amount no matter how many corps, partnerships etc you have or are part of.
Export sales reporting and true unbiased crop conditions would have paid farms $100 to $300 and acre last year if the true state of the crop inventory/carryover, export forward sales and crop conditions had be reported.

[J88]

If we have a Sept election great promises can be made Liberal or Conservative. If Trudeau puts money on the table before the writ drops he gains more votes. That ain’t helping us

[jazz]

I don't feel the least bit guilty if they send out an adhoc payment.

I am sure a payment can be arranged in exchange for a Trudeau majority just like NS did.

Personally I will take a knife to the eye before I could do that.

[WiltonRanch]

Liberals don’t give two 💩 about the west and even less of western farmers. Our vote doesn’t matter and never will. Only thing like mentioned before if the families at tea time whine to their liberal buddies because it hurts their bottom line then maybe so. We’ve had over a decade of reasonable crops and prices for the most part. Enough guys old enough with memories of farming in decades long droughts know when to bow out while still on top. Cattle industry will be decimated, and lots of 55+ year old farmers will say screw it. Younger guys like me have a bit more career left but I’m not burning up capitol to squeeze cows through a drought or make input companies rich with no benefit to my bottom line.

[Marusko]

Base payment on crop insurance coverage rates to account for variable production region-to-region.

Cap total payment at something like $50,000 so the monster farms don't get extra fuel for their rocket.

I should be minister of Ag.

In reality an ad hoc payment of say 40/ac is a perfect excuse for landlords to bump rents by 40/ac. Last renegotiation, landlord bumped rent up by 10%. "Costs are going up!" yeah buddy, tell me about it, my costs went up 25 or 30% outside of rent since we made the last deal and I'm not generating any more revenue. But of course, can't say no cause there's 10 guys outside the door waiting for me to fxck it up. Glad I didn't have to renegotiate this year, with grain prices and the optimistic outlook we had at seeding time, would have been more, look how the crop's turning out.

[6V53]

Only thing you're going to see on CBC this fall is all the money farmers are making with high grain prices and your going to be blamed for the rising price of groceries.
Treudo will get more votes promising to confiscate your farm for " The Greater Good".

[Rareearth]

Ad hoc ,
what terrible naming,