high input farmers

[GOODRUM]

I noticed some of the farms that normally have the best looking crops instead have the poorest.
Its interesting that water needs to be included in your agrology program or the whole system is counterproductive.

[chuckChuck]

Farmers have become a huge profit opportunity for the input suppliers.

Their often juvenile advertising and marketing programs have been effective. That and providing non independent agronomy and advice, leads to increased and unnecessary sales.

There are a lot of nuances to the art and science of farming.

Finding that sweet spot of keeping input costs reasonable, but producing a reasonable return is a big challenge.

And then along comes the drought and heat of 2021 to give every farmer a big wakeup kick in the ass.

But unless you are still wet behind the ears and forgot to pay attention to your parents experience and advice, 2021 should be not a big surprise. Even if it is a painfull experience for everyone.

[Hamloc]

I noticed some of the farms that normally have the best looking crops instead have the poorest.
Its interesting that water needs to be included in your agrology program or the whole system is counterproductive.

Crop variety selection comes into play as well I believe. As an example semi-dwarf crops that respond well to higher fertility also demand more water and perform poorly in a drought. Various varieties of CPS wheat I find perform poorly when it is dry compared to CWRS varieties. With barley I find quite a difference as well. I grew Synergy, Austenson and Sirish. Sirish definitely doesn’t like the dryer weather.

[Guest]

I noticed some of the farms that normally have the best looking crops instead have the poorest.
Its interesting that water needs to be included in your agrology program or the whole system is counterproductive.

No,no
These new expensive canola seeds don’t need rain
Remember Neil and others told us that last year
Wait now , WYF?

[the big wheel]

Crop variety selection comes into play as well I believe. As an example semi-dwarf crops that respond well to higher fertility also demand more water and perform poorly in a drought. Various varieties of CPS wheat I find perform poorly when it is dry compared to CWRS varieties. With barley I find quite a difference as well. I grew Synergy, Austenson and Sirish. Sirish definitely doesn’t like the dryer weather.

Interesting about the barley did that field have a similar
Past history as the other barley fields? Rotation past rain amounts
Etc.? Are they side by side?
My austenson is better as in shitty but better than
My bow but bow is on lighter soil field.

[the big wheel]

Interesting about the barley did that field have a similar
Past history as the other barley fields? Rotation past rain amounts
Etc.? Are they side by side?
My austenson is better as in shitty but better than
My bow but bow is on lighter soil field.

Anyone notice the roundup canola did not
Branch out as much as liberty?

[bucket]

The young guys were spraying Moddus/ Manipulator on their barley this year...Well lets just say crop insurance is going to pay that bill....and I am not sure why. Cant even make cattle feed.

[Maver]

Anyone notice the roundup canola did not
Branch out as much as liberty?

Yes, but my Invigor was seeded a week later.

[jazz]

Maybe the thread should be renamed high risk farmers. Now that I know about the forward contracting guys are doing, I feel there is an extra layer of leveraged risk in this business that we dont need.

[the big wheel]

The young guys were spraying Moddus/ Manipulator on their barley this year...Well lets just say crop insurance is going to pay that bill....and I am not sure why. Cant even make cattle feed.

Lol I shouldn’t laugh because no one can predict the weather
But thinking of what that would have done to
My barley. Lol

Which begs a question what will be done with some of
These fields so short but produced seed and I
Think many were left too long already to spray
Out to kill germination? Might be a mess
Waiting for next year. Wouldn’t dare harrow
Or till right now anyway.

[bucket]

Maybe the thread should be renamed high risk farmers. Now that I know about the forward contracting guys are doing, I feel there is an extra layer of leveraged risk in this business that we dont need.

How many guys were contracting 20BPA at 12 bucks for fall of 2021 because that was a historically high price? And how many now have 110 percent of their crop priced?

[Guest]

The young guys were spraying Moddus/ Manipulator on their barley this year...Well lets just say crop insurance is going to pay that bill....and I am not sure why. Cant even make cattle feed.

Here too
Some of these guys can’t spray enough

[the big wheel]

How many guys were contracting 20BPA at 12 bucks for fall of 2021 because that was a historically high price? And how many now have 110 percent of their crop priced?

If I used your numbers guys would be 150% to 200% contracted in our area
And that’s on the fields that will be harvested some won’t.

[bucket]

Lol I shouldn’t laugh because no one can predict the weather
But thinking of what that would have done to
My barley. Lol

Which begs a question what will be done with some of
These fields so short but produced seed and I
Think many were left too long already to spray
Out to kill germination? Might be a mess
Waiting for next year. Wouldn’t dare harrow
Or till right now anyway.

I was toying with the idea of leaving the poorest fields and protillling them early next spring and using in crop to slow the weeds for a burnoff.

The volunteers will be crazy next year any way you slice it.

To make rows , might just use single stream with Roundup. to reduce the competition.

[jazz]

How many guys were contracting 20BPA at 12 bucks for fall of 2021 because that was a historically high price? And how many now have 110 percent of their crop priced?

I dont know what the contracting numbers are. They seem hidden to this industry, but I do not consider marketing and contracting to be production risk.

We have some large neighbors, I will leave them unnamed, that are into integrated businesses now. That means they farm land, own land, do custom work, rent land, rent out land, buy and sell inputs, finance smaller guys, even buying and selling crop and then they wheal and deal with non traditional lenders and partners that most of us would never consider working with.

These are the kinds of players in this industry now and they have taken on exponential risk.