Poll shows majority of Canadians support barring unvaccinated from public gatherings

[oneoff]

Yawn, big deal, print your vax record off the internet, buy the T-shirt that says ‘Vax’d to the Max’, find a child to scribble a ‘tattoo’ on your arm of your choice of poison and a date, hang a face diaper halfway out of your pocket so you look like a faithful devotee, and you are good to go anywhere. Memorize the line: “all immunizations are up to date”.

Every time Taiga pops up I'll think:

15 or so people died (in a week); after getting vaccinated. On top of that Taiga had to add "locally" for extra emphasis.

Not one retraction or clarification of obvious lies that I've seen...although it was a very nice reprieve for that person to temporarily cease and desist........... until noticing the above drivel that might be expected from some brat kid.

[oneoff]

Jazz would you provide a source for your claim because it is different than stats I have seen. For example this KFF health care study comparing vaccinated with unvaccinated found: "Compared To Those Who Have Received A COVID-19 Vaccine, Unvaccinated Adults Are Younger, Less Educated, More Likely To Be Republicans, People Of Color, And Uninsured https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-profile-of-the-unvaccinated/

There are lots of stats but cannot link to the page so let me just highlight a few. Of the unvaccinated 49% claim to be republican. 29% claim to be democrats. 56% of unvaccinated respondents were white, 19% Hispanic and 14% black

Bloomberg reported July 21: "As the Covid-19 delta variant spreads throughout the U.S., states facing the biggest spikes in new cases also tend to be those doing an especially poor job vaccinating their largest racial group, White people."
"Recent polls have found Republicans and White evangelicals are least likely to say they’ll get the shots, which may account for less uptake among White people in certain states, especially in the South, Midwest and West. " https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/us-vaccine-demographics.html

On July 31 the New York Times reported: "In one group are those who say they are adamant in their refusal of the coronavirus vaccines; they include a mix of people but tend to be disproportionately white, rural, evangelical Christian and politically conservative, surveys show."

Jazz unless, you can provide a source for your claim, you are making misleading claims about vaccinations. Maybe Furrowtickler can help you find the source seeing as he apparently agrees with your claim.

To be skeptical about printing absolute lies and gross stretches of the truth need not be proven every time a writer comes up with new garbage statistics and "news" stories always in 10 times normal font size.

Once a person destroys their credibility and responds with childish excuses and interpretations....it is only those who have the same brain functions that will factor that into their continuance of denying an ongoing worldwide pandemic.

Non vaccinated persons have put themselves months behind others who were more sensible. When vaccine supplies were limited and obviously not adequate for the demand; little damage was being done.

As of about June 1/2021 (in Canada) that changed. And I've always conceded that those who contracted the disease and recovered should have their own immunity maybe roughly equivalent to a single vaccine dose. But that's akin to gambling and relying on one vaccine dosage isn't typically anywhere near 100% protective........from all the data I've seen from scientific data from usually reliable sources.

I put it to non vaxxer's and Covid deniers that it is a misnomer to call the information they rely on as anything approaching scientific data.

Firmly held beliefs; dogma and closed minds seem commonplace in minorities who just won't accept principles developed before their relatively short time of existence. This is strongly expressed by the minorities demeanor and tone in their analysis important developing issues. And it tends to concentrate itself where those persons only listen to themselves, their religious advisors and their disdain for social norms; justice principles, constitutions and laws previously made by sincere democratically elected officials.

Beware usurpers spreading outright lies and falsehoods.

[Taiga]

Oneoff: how about the 20+ who died within days in Norway? That one is plausible, even acceptable, to you but it is unthinkable that this happens in Canada? Ok
Every time I see a wild Covid claim I think of Oneoff.

[checking]

Looks like 98.88%. that is a far cry from 99.999%.

He only underestimated the death rate by a factor of more than 1100.
Minor rounding error.
Did you know that 90% of all statistics are made up?
I used this joke once before and Chuck took it seriously and tried to prove me wrong, so I will include the joke disclaimer this time.

AlbertaFarmer5.

Don't fall for jwabber jibberish. He doesn't realize that 163 million or more Americans are fully vaccinated against Covid-19, and the statistics do work out to greater than 99.999% survival. Don't take my word for it, but at least check out multiple sources that published US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data on August 02, 2021. It was you who said, "It is always easier to do the popular thing, than to say what really needs to be said." Is this your barchart moment, and you are not out by a factor of more than 1100?

To put it another way, 0.001% of fully vaccinated Americans have died from this virus. Add this percent to 99.999% survival and the tally is 100%. In jwabber's world, I have no doubt he believes every sport's player interview that expressed that they gave 110% effort to their game. It's either that, or he lives in a snapshot moment.

If you want an explanation for the latter, I have an appropriate analogy.

[jazz]

oneoff, I thought you were going to self ban yourself because you couldnt take any challenges to your narrative.

Here is one. Please show me the vaccines that we have deployed into the population that allowed the vaccinated to still spread it? Polio? Measels? chicken pox.

Any vaccine that doesnt kill the virus in your body and end its transmission vector is no vaccine. We have basically injected a mild theraputic to prevent serious illness, but we will now have created multiple super strains that will never be brought under control. You and agstarr better get your basement hammocks ready. You will be immobilized like the rest of us.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

AlbertaFarmer5.

Don't fall for jwabber jibberish. He doesn't realize that 163 million or more Americans are fully vaccinated against Covid-19, and the statistics do work out to greater than 99.999% survival. Don't take my word for it, but at least check out multiple sources that published US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data on August 02, 2021. It was you who said, "It is always easier to do the popular thing, than to say what really needs to be said." Is this your barchart moment, and you are not out by a factor of more than 1100?

To put it another way, 0.001% of fully vaccinated Americans have died from this virus. Add this percent to 99.999% survival and the tally is 100%. In jwabber's world, I have no doubt he believes every sport's player interview that expressed that they gave 110% effort to their game. It's either that, or he lives in a snapshot moment.

If you want an explanation for the latter, I have an appropriate analogy.

I'm not falling for any jibberish. And I don't take any position on the vaccine. Not supporting jwab's position, or yours. But I can do math. So when numbers jump out as not adding up, I check.

Perhaps you didn't intend it to read this way, but jwab was responding to your post where you specifically stated the death rate of those infected with Covid, not the entire vaccinated population.

Greater than 99.999% of double vaccinated folks will not die should they become infected with any COVID-19 variant to date.

Edit, What happened to the quote button?
Now we are just pointlessly arguing semantics, which is likely best left to dml, so I will leave it at that.
If you want to argue with my math calculations, go ahead, I was driving at the time, so I could have made a mistake.

3 orders of magnitude is the type of gross error normally reserved for Chuck, ( and then defending the error)so I thought you might want to not fall into that category. It is bad for credibility.

[burnt]

I still think Agriville should delete covid threads from the marketing forum. Its a waist of time discussing and it also is very important we keep attention on our drought and farming problems. Anyone looking at this site would think were a bunch of redneck Republicans fighting with a bunch of doorknob Democrats over a problem that neither side will win. We are Canadians for ***cc sakes start acting like it.

Is someone forcing you to read these threads?

If so, you should report them to the authorities - unless you're being held hostage!! (If you need help blink slowly 3 times)

It's kinda sad - so many who claim to be free thinkers actually call for censorship. And we wonder why Tooles show up in politics...

[checking]

[QUOTE=jazz;504266]

Any vaccine that doesnt kill the virus in your body and end its transmission vector is no vaccine. we will now have created multiple super strains that will never be brought under control.

Oh!, I'm reasonable sure that that eleven out of ten people would say that AlbertaFarmer5 has taken a position on Covid-19. You just have a less gruff barbed way of saying things than the common agriviller.

Give us an unfiltered assessment of Jazz's quote. Is it bullshit, or not bullshit? Does he know the difference? - because he does, and he doesn't care

My take - complete, misleading bullshit by Jazz. He knows it. Jwab, won't call him out. because it fits his passionate narrative. A covid vaccine does not kill a virus. It alerts the body to recognize that virus when it invades. The body mechanisms do the manufacturing for the killing.

I'll let you explain to any reader the bullshit of his second, he doesn't care to be truthful quote.

[jazz]

[QUOTE=checking;504275]

Give us an unfiltered assessment of Jazz's quote. Is it bullshit, or not bullshit? Does he know the difference? - because he does, and he doesn't care .

Answer my original question checking. Is there another vaccine deployed into the population that still allows it to spread after being fully vaccinated? Simple question.

Small pox was eradicated by vaccines, it didnt mutate into a new letter of the greek alphabet every month. Thats because transmission was halted. Our latest vaccine technology cant halt a virus in the host? I would call that a fail.

Vaccines are supposed to end transmission. Or did that goal post change now too? Now they just make the disease less serious. Well if thats the case, we just created a natural gain of function mutation factory that will evade our technology in no time. And thats got nothing to do with the unvaccinated.

[burnt]

[QUOTE=jazz;504276]

Answer my original question checking. Is there another vaccine deployed into the population that still allows it to spread after being fully vaccinated? Simple question.

Small pox was eradicated by vaccines, it didnt mutate into a new letter of the greek alphabet every month. Thats because transmission was halted. Our latest vaccine technology cant halt a virus in the host? I would call that a fail.

Vaccines are supposed to end transmission. Or did that goal post change now too? Now they just make the disease less serious. Well if thats the case, we just created a natural gain of function mutation factory that will evade our technology in no time. And thats got nothing to do with the unvaccinated.

I do not understand why this is so hard for so many to grasp. The jab is NOT a vaccine!

I suspect that it's because they cannot bring themselves to admit that they got duped by a clever combination of fear and misinformation, right from the start of this whole scam.

They literally bought the proverbial "Pig-In-A-Poke".

And now they are the main source of the endlessly ongoing COVID problem.

Who would want to admit to that?

And as long as there are un-needled people, they will be confronted with undeniable evidence that they were played. So they will continue to shame, pressure and coerce the un-needled to conform.

Good luck...

[chuckChuck]

Burnt, did you get an anal probe when the aliens took you to their mothership? Because the shit you are spreading is out of this world!

[dmlfarmer]

[QUOTE=jazz;504276]

Answer my original question checking. Is there another vaccine deployed into the population that still allows it to spread after being fully vaccinated? Simple question.

Small pox was eradicated by vaccines, it didnt mutate into a new letter of the greek alphabet every month. Thats because transmission was halted. Our latest vaccine technology cant halt a virus in the host? I would call that a fail.

Vaccines are supposed to end transmission. Or did that goal post change now too? Now they just make the disease less serious. Well if thats the case, we just created a natural gain of function mutation factory that will evade our technology in no time. And thats got nothing to do with the unvaccinated.

Jazz, the answer to your question is both measles and mumps can be spread by a person who has both MMR vaccinations. In fact in 2009 over 3500 children developed the mumps in New York State after a fully vaccinated child contracted the disease in England and brought it back to his home state. Most of those infected were also vaccinated and so only had a mild case of the mumps. The spread of mumps and measles by vaccinated people is well documented.

The fact is no vaccine is 100% effective. Measles is about 99%. Mumps is about 85% However, the MMR vaccine uptake amongst most children has made it seem like these diseases have been erradicated when in fact it hasn't and the disease is reappearing in areas where antivaxers are prevalent. The only way vaccines are highly effective is if there is a very high uptake by the population, something we are not yet close to for Covid and which I doubt we will ever reach as long as people like you keep spreading mis information that the Covid vaccine is not a vaccine etc.

You are wrong in your claim that vaccines halt transmission.