American ranchers buying up Canadian hay /government support?

[furrowtickler]

So why in the world would you not want to become American?

At least the Government and the people seem to see value in Agriculture and want to see it succeed.
This is really becoming a dead beat country!

They intentionally will keep out of any real help for farmers or livestock producers in western Canada . That has been clear for several years .
When you look at the current federal government, they are simply following the lead on UN 2030 , and this drought will be their gateway .
Most people in ag did not take this seriously enough .
They want to end private land ownership.... so why would they do anything extra ? People need to think about that . It’s right there in print . They have even publicly stated it recently.
This is a dream come true for this current federal government.
We will get virtually no real help from the feds , we will be on our own to make it or not .

They want to end livestock production and severely limit grain production via carbon tax’s and mandatory fertilizer reduction .... again publicly stated .
So why would they help struggling farms in western Canada ? They want us out and have basically said so.
They want all organic hobby farms and return most land back to First Nations . Why do you think that the vast majority of this residential school thing is focused primarily in western Canada and barely a word about the ones that were in Ontario and Quebec?
There is a much bigger picture to this and this drought came at the right time for them and the worst possible time for us . Any relief that does come will have unworkable strings attached , unlike all the free money going to Quebec from industry to child care ... all zero strings .., there is a reason , and it’s not just votes .

I may be not 100% correct but every thing is lining up exactly this way

[the big wheel]

They intentionally will keep out of any real help for farmers or livestock producers in western Canada . That has been clear for several years .
When you look at the current federal government, they are simply following the lead on UN 2030 , and this drought will be their gateway .
Most people in ag did not take this seriously enough .
They want to end private land ownership.... so why would they do anything extra ? People need to think about that . It’s right there in print . They have even publicly stated it recently.
This is a dream come true for this current federal government.
We will get virtually no real help from the feds , we will be on our own to make it or not .

They want to end livestock production and severely limit grain production via carbon tax’s and mandatory fertilizer reduction .... again publicly stated .
So why would they help struggling farms in western Canada ? They want us out and have basically said so.
They want all organic hobby farms and return most land back to First Nations . Why do you think that the vast majority of this residential school thing is focused primarily in western Canada and barely a word about the ones that were in Ontario and Quebec?
There is a much bigger picture to this and this drought came at the right time for them and the worst possible time for us . Any relief that does come will have unworkable strings attached , unlike all the free money going to Quebec for industry to child care ... all zero strings .., there is a reason , and it’s not just votes .

I may be not 100% correct but every thing is lining up exactly this way

If that’s true it certainly makes our western MPs
And mlas in the rural areas even more like
Fools!

[newguy]

So why did the mid west have record bankrupsies of farms during the Trump years.?

[bucket]

Historically....if you look at some of your neighbours and every community has them ...bankruptcy is just good business practice..

Bid big and then go bankrupt and keep the land at a discount..


FCC will be working with the second generation of these shysters .

[newguy]

Historically....if you look at some of your neighbours and every community has them ...bankruptcy is just good business practice..

Bid big and then go bankrupt and keep the land at a discount..


FCC will be working with the second generation of these shysters .

it was more than that.guy wanted hay from south east sask cause of early snow said 40 farmers in his county broke so bank will not give me any money to buy hay for my cows.

[shtferbrains]

The US has some kind of system where the counties declare national disasters like was in the news with Hurricane Katrina. Happens relatively quickly and can work well.

But is also subject to huge political abuse similar to the Canadian east west thing.

I think they also have state disaster criteria and maybe county also?

Was on the Califonia coast on holiday couple of years ago when it rained for 2 days maybe 1.5 inches and the declared some type of disaster. Was not even inconvient but shifted the expense upward.

More clear cut response much quicker but shows some problems.

Who can argue with an official disaster?

[newguy]

[BreadWinner]

I heard lots of farmers renting/leasing cows are giving them back to theirs owners. Some of owners don’t even farm anymore and they will have to find someone to take them.

[shtferbrains]

Thems the hazards in leasing cows.
Most often ends that way
Or worse

[Old Cowzilla]

Only place cows are going when they leave a farm now is the deboning line. Don't imagine the price of hamburger will drop thou.

[burnt]

Historically....if you look at some of your neighbours and every community has them ...bankruptcy is just good business practice..

Bid big and then go bankrupt and keep the land at a discount..


FCC will be working with the second generation of these shysters .

Bingo.

Like the big guy in our area who bragged about buying farms on his operating loan.

Then went broke.

A year or 2 later, he was back in full swing under a new name and never even had to move out of his big house.

What makes it even worse is that because of his size, he gets preferred pricing from all the same suppliers that he screwed over the first (or was it the 2nd) time.

While the rest of us who pay our bills gotta cover his cost of bankruptcy.

One neighbor said it this way: "Someday they're gonna find him dead in one of his manure pits. They won't know if he jumped or got pushed..."

[the big wheel]

Historically....if you look at some of your neighbours and every community has them ...bankruptcy is just good business practice..

Bid big and then go bankrupt and keep the land at a discount..


FCC will be working with the second generation of these shysters .

Yes that’s the long term problem that fcc and those kinds
Of crooks and they really are crooks. We all know of rhe million
Dollar men managing their own bankruptcy while
Neighbours and local businesses don’t get paid. All
The while bidding up land and equipment. FCC turning down
Low interest loans to farm families and yet
Giving them to speculators bidding up land?????
But the reality is the rest of us are caught in that mess
There is no new equipment on my farm no extra inputs
Not needed. Simply caught up in programs that don’t
Work for multi year losses. We can’t simply say we
Don’t want rent any land or we want to pay less
For the land we re still purchasing from 10 years ago.
Everything from rail lines abandoned etc are all
Costs passed down. The amount of people going to be
Done will be staggering and rhe amount of foreign
Control or speculator control of land will increase.
Will mean some more small towns that will be
Ghost towns.

[Oliver88]

Thems the hazards in leasing cows.
Most often ends that way
Or worse

Lawyers love that business model.

[WiltonRanch]

Lawyers love that business model.

Not a fan of cow leasing. Only way they work is an understanding between both parties of mutual destruction if someone decides to get cute.