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Originally posted by dmlfarmer View PostWhen did Trudeau ever claim or state that he provides a greater proportion of the GNI to aid than Harper did? It seems to me it is more a unsupported right wing claim that Trudeau spends more than a case that Trudeau is saying he spends more. More gratifying is how the message changes from Trudeau critics when challenged about outspending Harper and they are unable to refute the challenge, suddenly the message changes to Trudeau not doing enough as Harper did.
PS I have to edit this post to add this "gratifying" Fox breaking news interview. The similarities to your comment and the interviewers questions are so similar. Namely: If position I held is wrong, then you better be able to challenge the other side of the argument that I now endorse. https://twitter.com/i/status/1429823392992145416
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Originally posted by Hamloc View PostDml it took me less than 5 mins to find this. On the philanthropist.ca in an article titled “Canada,s International Development Sector Hoping for increased Aid Spending in 2020 After Years of Declining Contributions. Here is a quote that pertains to my assertion: “When it came to power in 2015, the Justin Trudeau government promised it would halt the decline in foreign aid spending that occurred under the Stephen Harper Conservatives as part of its boast that “Canada is back†on the global stage.†So I am curious Dml you don’t believe Trudeau promised to out spend Stephen Harper? He also promised to have a more open, honest and transparent government, how did that go?
I will highlight a few statements I found very interesting. Note this was written in 2020 so it is up to date and reflects current JT government foreign aid spending:
-"Canadians routinely and dramatically overestimate the generosity of a government that is perceived as being deeply altruistic, when, in fact, it is increasingly miserly."
-"A half-century after former Prime Minister Lester Pearson called on the world’s industrialized nations to spend 0.7% of Gross Domestic Income (GDI) on foreign aid, this country sits at a near 50-year low in spending as a percentage of GDI, 0.28%." (note this is below the Harper government 0.30 average for his years in office and which topped at 0.31% in 2012)
-"But during the first Trudeau term, aid spending did not approach 2012 levels, let alone levels seen in the 1980s or ‘90s."
-"Former Conservative Prime Minister Brian Mulroney recently called today’s level of foreign aid “anemic and embarrassing.†But as long as Canadians overestimate our aid contributions, there is little incentive for the government to actually spend more."
-"Other industrialized nations throw shade on Canada. The United Kingdom enshrined the 0.7% contribution in legislation and maintains that level today despite internal pressures to spend less. Germany is only slightly behind at 0.63%. Norway tops the field, contributing 0.94% of GDI to foreign aid."
To base an argument on political promises made in an election period rather than the actual actions of a government once elected is hilarious. I am sure Trudeau would have loved to increase aid, but has not been able to do so. In 2012 the Conservatives promised that Growing Forward 2 would help farmers. Hamloc, do you think the changes to AgriStability made then are better for farmers? How about the new seed regulations, or the birth of Seed Synergy which really began with the adoption of the Senate recommendations adopted by the Conservatives in 2012.Last edited by dmlfarmer; Aug 23, 2021, 22:39.
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Oh, and Hamloc, you better be careful when using sources like philanthropist.ca and referencing arguments which go against unsupported right wing criticisms of Trudeau or soon guys like jwab and flea beetle will begin seeing you as a left winger and caseih will be trying to insult you and telling you to F off too.
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I provided my source, and where he took it from. It is up to you to thwart it. If you want to keep your head in the sand, that is up to you.
The 1.4 billion to womens and girls health in other countries and the 400 million to other countries to fight covid is easily searched out on the internet. Once again, if you want to keep your head in the sand that is on you.Last edited by flea beetle; Aug 23, 2021, 23:16.
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Originally posted by dmlfarmer View PostHamloc, thanks very much for posting this, it really supports the point I was making that the Trudeau government is not spending more than previous governments as most Canadians believe and which flea beetle insinuated but which he cannot support with any facts. For those of you who want to read the article Hamloc referred to here is the link: https://thephilanthropist.ca/2020/01/canadas-international-development-sector-hoping-for-increased-aid-spending-in-2020-after-years-of-declining-contributions/
I will highlight a few statements I found very interesting. Note this was written in 2020 so it is up to date and reflects current JT government foreign aid spending:
-"Canadians routinely and dramatically overestimate the generosity of a government that is perceived as being deeply altruistic, when, in fact, it is increasingly miserly."
-"A half-century after former Prime Minister Lester Pearson called on the world’s industrialized nations to spend 0.7% of Gross Domestic Income (GDI) on foreign aid, this country sits at a near 50-year low in spending as a percentage of GDI, 0.28%." (note this is below the Harper government 0.30 average for his years in office and which topped at 0.31% in 2012)
-"But during the first Trudeau term, aid spending did not approach 2012 levels, let alone levels seen in the 1980s or ‘90s."
-"Former Conservative Prime Minister Brian Mulroney recently called today’s level of foreign aid “anemic and embarrassing.†But as long as Canadians overestimate our aid contributions, there is little incentive for the government to actually spend more."
-"Other industrialized nations throw shade on Canada. The United Kingdom enshrined the 0.7% contribution in legislation and maintains that level today despite internal pressures to spend less. Germany is only slightly behind at 0.63%. Norway tops the field, contributing 0.94% of GDI to foreign aid."
To base an argument on political promises made in an election period rather than the actual actions of a government once elected is hilarious. I am sure Trudeau would have loved to increase aid, but has not been able to do so. In 2012 the Conservatives promised that Growing Forward 2 would help farmers. Hamloc, do you think the changes to AgriStability made then are better for farmers? How about the new seed regulations, or the birth of Seed Synergy which really began with the adoption of the Senate recommendations adopted by the Conservatives in 2012.
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Originally posted by Hamloc View PostActually Dml you apparently can’t comprehend what was written. Justin Trudeau’s statement was made after he was elected not during the election. But what I don’t get is Stephen Harper’s government provided more foreign aid than Justin Trudeau’s and yet your defending Justin Trudeau’s well established record of over promising and under delivering. Was Flea Beetle wrong, yes in this case he was but as the article states most Canadians overestimate how much is spent on foreign aid. But there is no doubt that no single Prime Minister has added anywhere near as much to our national debt as Justin Trudeau! And even though he has greatly increased government spending you state he has not been able to increase foreign aid. Why do you suppose that is? Maybe because it won’t buy him more votes!
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Originally posted by dmlfarmer View PostOh, and Hamloc, you better be careful when using sources like philanthropist.ca and referencing arguments which go against unsupported right wing criticisms of Trudeau or soon guys like jwab and flea beetle will begin seeing you as a left winger and caseih will be trying to insult you and telling you to F off too.
more misinformation fro you as usual
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Originally posted by caseih View Posthaven't told you to F off yet , would like to
more misinformation fro you as usual
"Originally posted by caseih View PostFu c k dML
There’s those damn details again
Poor buggers always a dollar short and a day behind
As you say there are those damn details again... you should have deleted this post you made before your comment today
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Trudeau cost Canada literally trillions so arguing about foreign aid is redundant at this stage. Its always too much when you have people suffering here at home.
He is a hair away from sinking this country for good. I am sure dml will try to rebut. Add the debt to the lost investment and cancelled projects if you want to be shocked.
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