Vaccine passport in Saskatchewan? How many days?

[BreadWinner]

What a load of crap Danielle Smith is spewing. Vaccinated people are not carrying the covid virus they are carrying a similar protein that the body has learned to attack. It almost amazing the antivax crowd has almost turned into the climate change wackos that will run you over if you questioned their climate science.

[A990]

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[newguy]

Reliable Facebook research shows these guys are behind all this.

[chuckChuck]

So Israel is fake news?

We already covered this in another thread. The article below clearly shows that vaccines are doing their job to reduce infections and severity of illness in most people. Most of the people with breakthrough infections in Israel are elderly with other serious illnesses.

So you still have not made a case that vaccines don't work. The unvaccinated young and old are at much greater risk of severe illness and hospitalization The data out of Canada and Israel show this clearly. So quit wasting our time trying to avoid discussing whats going on at home in Saskatchewan and Alberta.

And there is nothing wrong with getting a booster shot. We already do it for all kinds of disease prevention.


Israeli doctors find severe COVID-19 breakthrough cases mostly in older, sicker patients
By Maayan Lubell

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-doctors-find-severe-covid-19-breakthrough-cases-mostly-older-sicker-2021-08-20/

JERUSALEM, Aug 20 (Reuters) - In Israel's COVID-19 wards, doctors are learning which vaccinated patients are most vulnerable to severe illness, amid growing concerns about instances in which the shots provide less protection against the worst forms of the disease.

Around half of the country's 600 patients presently hospitalized with severe illness have received two doses of the Pfizer Inc (PFE.N) shot, a rare occurrence out of 5.4 million fully vaccinated people.

The majority of these patients received two vaccine doses at least five months ago, are over the age of 60 and also have chronic illnesses known to exacerbate a coronavirus infection. They range from diabetes to heart disease and lung ailments, as well as cancers and inflammatory diseases that are treated with immune-system suppressing drugs, according to Reuters interviews with 11 doctors, health specialists and officials.

Such "breakthrough" cases have become central to a global debate over whether highly vaccinated countries should give booster doses of COVID-19 vaccines, and to which people.

Israel began offering booster doses to people age 60 and up in July, and has since expanded that eligibility.

The United States, citing data out of Israel and other findings, said on Wednesday it would make booster doses available to all Americans beginning in September.

Other countries, including France and Germany, have so far limited their booster plans to the elderly and people with weak immune systems.

"The vaccinated patients are older, unhealthy, often they were bedridden before infection, immobile and already requiring nursing care," said Noa Eliakim-Raz, head of the coronavirus ward at Rabin Medical Centre in Petach Tikva.

In contrast, "the unvaccinated COVID patients we see are young, healthy, working people and their condition deteriorates rapidly," she said. "Suddenly they're being put on oxygen or on a respirator."

Israel's Health Ministry raised new alarm this week with a report showing the effectiveness against severe disease of the Pfizer vaccine, developed with Germany's BioNTech, appeared to have dropped from more than 90% to 55% in people age 65 and up who received their second jab in January.

Disease experts say it is not clear how representative the figures are, but agree it is concerning given evidence that overall vaccine protection against infection is waning.

They cannot say whether that is due to the amount of time that has passed since inoculation, the ability of the highly contagious Delta variant to evade protection, the age and underlying health of the people vaccinated, or a combination of all of these factors.

Health officials in the UK and United States, two other nations with high vaccination rates and a spike in Delta infections, have reported similar trends. In the UK, about 35% of the people hospitalized with a Delta case in recent weeks had received two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine. Nearly three-quarters of U.S. breakthrough infections that led to hospitalization or death were among people age 65 or older, according to federal data.

U.S. officials said their booster plan is based on concern that over time, the vaccines will provide less protection against severe disease, including among younger adults.

"We are watching other countries carefully and (are) concerned that we too will see what Israel is seeing, which is worsening infections over time" among vaccinated people, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Rochelle Walensky said at a press conference on Wednesday.

The World Health Organization has repeatedly urged wealthy nations to refrain from providing boosters while much of the world has yet to access their first COVID vaccine doses.

IMMUNE RESPONSE

The Delta variant, first identified in India, has become the dominant version of the SARS-CoV-2 virus globally, accelerating a pandemic that has killed more than 4.4 million people.

In Israel, daily new cases have increased from the single digits in June to around 8,000 since the arrival of Delta. Approximately half of the cases - the majority of them mild to moderate - are in vaccinated people.

Those vaccinated first in Israel were at high-risk, including people age 60 and up. The immune response of some may have weakened by the time Delta hit Israel. But for others with underlying health conditions, the vaccine may have not kicked in at all.

"For some of them the vaccine did not trigger an immune response, they had no antibodies, because of the illness itself or because they are treated with medication that suppresses the immune system," said Dror Mevorach, who heads the coronavirus ward at Hadassah hospital in Jerusalem. He cited examples such as chronic lymphocytic leukemia and lymphoma.

Among 3 million vaccinated Israelis covered by Clalit, the country's largest healthcare provider, 600 have suffered severe breakthrough cases since June. Around 75% of them were above the age of 70 and were at least 5 months after their second dose, according to Ran Balicer, Clalit's chief innovation officer. Nearly all of them have chronic illnesses.

"We are hardly seeing young vaccinated people in severe condition," said Balicer.

In the UK, doctors described similar characteristics among vaccinated patients who fall severely ill.

"In those people who come in, because of their age, because of their co-morbidities, they might be people that you would expect that the vaccine is not quite so efficacious as other age groups," said Tom Wingfield, a clinical lecturer at the Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine.

A new surge in U.S. coronavirus cases and deaths has been fueled by Delta, particularly in states where vaccination rates remain low. Among vaccinated patients who become infected, there is evidence of older people being hit harder.

In Texas, 92% of the vaccine breakthrough cases that resulted in death were in people over the age of 60 and 75% had a known underlying condition that put them at high risk from COVID-19, according to a public health department spokesperson.

Initial data in Israel suggests the booster shots administered in the last few weeks are reducing the risk of infection in older people compared with those who have received only two doses. read more .

Even without boosters, Israeli doctors say that vaccinated patients tend to recover more quickly.

"The vaccinated patients I've treated usually left the ICU in about three days. The unvaccinated patients took a week or two until they stabilized," said Yael Haviv-Yadid, head of the critical care ward at Sheba Medical Centre near Tel Aviv.

Even if the vaccine did not stop them getting ill, it may have mitigated their illness, said Alex Rozov, head of the coronavirus ward at Barzilai Medical Centre in Ashkelon.

"Our cautious impression is that the vaccinated patients suffer an easier course of illness - the treatment is more effective among those who have antibodies."

[chuckChuck]

I see Big Lentil is on to another conspiracy without any context or relationship to covid?

A sure sign he is a regular subscriber to several conspiracy sites from way out in right field past the foul line!

[A990]

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[jazz]

Can you imagine what the country would look like if guys like chuck were in charge? Canada would be a smoking crater overnight. LOL

Best they stay busy polishing solar panels.

[fjlip]

"The Delta variant, first identified in India,"

Why is India not all dead?

IVERMETIC dummies...

[chuckChuck]

Can you imagine what the country would look like if guys like chuck were in charge? Canada would be a smoking crater overnight. LOL

Best they stay busy polishing solar panels.

So you don't want to discuss covid and Israel because it doesn't ft the covidiot agenda?

"In Texas, 92% of the vaccine breakthrough cases that resulted in death were in people over the age of 60 and 75% had a known underlying condition that put them at high risk from COVID-19, according to a public health department spokesperson."

But Jazz you don't like Moe or Kenney's latest covid response. They're Marxists correct? Need we say more? LOL

[flea beetle]

“Disease experts say it is not clear how representative the figures are, but agree it is concerning given evidence that overall vaccine protection against infection is waning.”

"We are watching other countries carefully and (are) concerned that we too will see what Israel is seeing, which is worsening infections over time" among vaccinated people, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Rochelle Walensky said at a press conference on Wednesday.

[Blaithin]

First covid cases I have heard of, of immediate neighbours. 3 cases total. Two are an older couple. Both double vaxed. The other is a lady in her 50’s. Unvaxed.

So my question is, if these vaxes work, how could 2/3 of the cases be in the double vaxed?

That’s a great case study number.

If Meatloaf were a virologist he’d say 2 out of 3 ain’t bad? Or is bad?

Anecdotal stories, while fun to repeat and make oneself feel experienced, are just anecdotal. Also tending towards being very black or white and eschewing any shades of grey the world may offer.

[flea beetle]

That’s a great case study number.

If Meatloaf were a virologist he’d say 2 out of 3 ain’t bad? Or is bad?

Anecdotal stories, while fun to repeat and make oneself feel experienced, are just anecdotal. Also tending towards being very black or white and eschewing any shades of grey the world may offer.

I call it like I see it! If the vaccines work, how come double vaxed people are getting sick?

[Blaithin]

I call it like I see it! If the vaccines work, how come double vaxed people are getting sick?

There’s lots of knowledge around about how vaccines work. Not just and not specifically Covid vaccines, but vaccines in general.

If you’d rather “call it like you see it” then there’s no point in me repeating ad nauseum all the information about the efficacy of vaccines to you.

But here’s one question to ponder…

In the last ten years with the rise of anti vaxxers for illnesses like measles, how come vaccinated kids have begun to get measles during an outbreak as well?

[TOM4CWB]

I call it like I see it! If the vaccines work, how come double vaxed people are getting sick?

There is More to this… Flea beatle(

On Covid-19 vaccines: with respect to infections of folks who got the vaccines- did you know there is a big difference between Moderna and Pfizer vaccine protection levels?

Here is why;

"Moderna’s shot contains 100 micrograms of vaccine, more than three times the 30 micrograms in the Pfizer shot."

Therefore:

..."Researchers from around the country found striking differences between two mRNA vaccines long thought to be interchangeable.

When the Moderna vaccine received emergency use authorization in December, the company reported that 30 people in its clinical trial developed severe cases of COVID-19, including nine who required hospitalization. All 30 patients were in the placebo group, resulting in a vaccine efficacy against severe disease of 100%.

Ten people in Pfizer's initial clinical trial developed severe cases of COVID-19. Nine of them were in the placebo group, including seven who were hospitalized, resulting in a vaccine efficacy against severe disease of 88.9%.

Once the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines were rolled out to the public, their records of preventing COVID-19 hospitalizations in the first four months were neck and neck — 93% and 91% effective, respectively. But the degree of protection diverged after that.

When they focused specifically on the period 120 days beyond the second dose, the study authors found that the Moderna vaccine remained 92% effective at preventing COVID-19 hospitalizations. But the equivalent figure for the Pfizer vaccine was 77%.

The results were published in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

Both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are based on mRNA technology, which delivers temporary instructions to the body’s muscle cells that help it learn to recognize the spike protein, a key part of the coronavirus’ structure. But “they're actually not necessarily interchangeable,” said Dr. Timothy Brewer, a professor of medicine and epidemiology at UCLA.

Each vaccine is formulated and administered differently, Brewer said, and those differences could affect the strength and duration of the two vaccines' protection.

Moderna’s shot contains 100 micrograms of vaccine, more than three times the 30 micrograms in the Pfizer shot. And Pfizer’s two doses are given three weeks apart, while Moderna’s two-shot regimen is administered with a four-week gap.

Brewer also pointed to evidence that the Moderna vaccine seemed to elicit higher levels of a key antibody than the Pfizer vaccine.

“We know from other studies the neutralizing antibody levels will decay over time, so starting at a higher level will mean that you have farther to go before you decay to a point where efficacy drops off,” he said.

Dr. Robert Murphy, who directs Northwestern University's Institute for Global Health, said the Pfizer vaccine's reduced protection against severe disease may bolster the case for boosters for all who got the vaccine, not just the specific groups identified by the FDA advisory panel."...

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/big-gap-between-pfizer-moderna-034719881.html

Too bad this info on protection from Covid-19 is not more readily available....

God give us the strength to change the things we can, and accept the things we can Not change…

Have a safe and blessed day!

Cheers

[jazz]

In the last ten years with the rise of anti vaxxers for illnesses like measles, how come vaccinated kids have begun to get measles during an outbreak as well?

A handful of kids get measles after vaccinated. In contrast 20% of the daily covid hospitalizations in Canada are vaxxed. In Israel that number is over 50% even after a 3rd booster.

mRNA is not a typical vaccine. It makes a subunit of the spike protein on the virus. Thats why its failing.

MMR vaccines use entire live or attenuated viruses so your body makes antibodies to the entire thing.

mRNA was supposed to be the cats azz because it was faster and cheaper and could be tweaked. Where are the tweaks? Giving more of something thats not working isnt a solution. The original strain of covid probably doesnt even exist anymore.