Vaccine passport in Saskatchewan? How many days?

[Blaithin]

First covid cases I have heard of, of immediate neighbours. 3 cases total. Two are an older couple. Both double vaxed. The other is a lady in her 50’s. Unvaxed.

So my question is, if these vaxes work, how could 2/3 of the cases be in the double vaxed?

That’s a great case study number.

If Meatloaf were a virologist he’d say 2 out of 3 ain’t bad? Or is bad?

Anecdotal stories, while fun to repeat and make oneself feel experienced, are just anecdotal. Also tending towards being very black or white and eschewing any shades of grey the world may offer.

[flea beetle]

That’s a great case study number.

If Meatloaf were a virologist he’d say 2 out of 3 ain’t bad? Or is bad?

Anecdotal stories, while fun to repeat and make oneself feel experienced, are just anecdotal. Also tending towards being very black or white and eschewing any shades of grey the world may offer.

I call it like I see it! If the vaccines work, how come double vaxed people are getting sick?

[Blaithin]

I call it like I see it! If the vaccines work, how come double vaxed people are getting sick?

There’s lots of knowledge around about how vaccines work. Not just and not specifically Covid vaccines, but vaccines in general.

If you’d rather “call it like you see it” then there’s no point in me repeating ad nauseum all the information about the efficacy of vaccines to you.

But here’s one question to ponder…

In the last ten years with the rise of anti vaxxers for illnesses like measles, how come vaccinated kids have begun to get measles during an outbreak as well?

[TOM4CWB]

I call it like I see it! If the vaccines work, how come double vaxed people are getting sick?

There is More to this… Flea beatle(

On Covid-19 vaccines: with respect to infections of folks who got the vaccines- did you know there is a big difference between Moderna and Pfizer vaccine protection levels?

Here is why;

"Moderna’s shot contains 100 micrograms of vaccine, more than three times the 30 micrograms in the Pfizer shot."

Therefore:

..."Researchers from around the country found striking differences between two mRNA vaccines long thought to be interchangeable.

When the Moderna vaccine received emergency use authorization in December, the company reported that 30 people in its clinical trial developed severe cases of COVID-19, including nine who required hospitalization. All 30 patients were in the placebo group, resulting in a vaccine efficacy against severe disease of 100%.

Ten people in Pfizer's initial clinical trial developed severe cases of COVID-19. Nine of them were in the placebo group, including seven who were hospitalized, resulting in a vaccine efficacy against severe disease of 88.9%.

Once the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines were rolled out to the public, their records of preventing COVID-19 hospitalizations in the first four months were neck and neck — 93% and 91% effective, respectively. But the degree of protection diverged after that.

When they focused specifically on the period 120 days beyond the second dose, the study authors found that the Moderna vaccine remained 92% effective at preventing COVID-19 hospitalizations. But the equivalent figure for the Pfizer vaccine was 77%.

The results were published in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

Both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are based on mRNA technology, which delivers temporary instructions to the body’s muscle cells that help it learn to recognize the spike protein, a key part of the coronavirus’ structure. But “they're actually not necessarily interchangeable,” said Dr. Timothy Brewer, a professor of medicine and epidemiology at UCLA.

Each vaccine is formulated and administered differently, Brewer said, and those differences could affect the strength and duration of the two vaccines' protection.

Moderna’s shot contains 100 micrograms of vaccine, more than three times the 30 micrograms in the Pfizer shot. And Pfizer’s two doses are given three weeks apart, while Moderna’s two-shot regimen is administered with a four-week gap.

Brewer also pointed to evidence that the Moderna vaccine seemed to elicit higher levels of a key antibody than the Pfizer vaccine.

“We know from other studies the neutralizing antibody levels will decay over time, so starting at a higher level will mean that you have farther to go before you decay to a point where efficacy drops off,” he said.

Dr. Robert Murphy, who directs Northwestern University's Institute for Global Health, said the Pfizer vaccine's reduced protection against severe disease may bolster the case for boosters for all who got the vaccine, not just the specific groups identified by the FDA advisory panel."...

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/big-gap-between-pfizer-moderna-034719881.html

Too bad this info on protection from Covid-19 is not more readily available....

God give us the strength to change the things we can, and accept the things we can Not change…

Have a safe and blessed day!

Cheers

[jazz]

In the last ten years with the rise of anti vaxxers for illnesses like measles, how come vaccinated kids have begun to get measles during an outbreak as well?

A handful of kids get measles after vaccinated. In contrast 20% of the daily covid hospitalizations in Canada are vaxxed. In Israel that number is over 50% even after a 3rd booster.

mRNA is not a typical vaccine. It makes a subunit of the spike protein on the virus. Thats why its failing.

MMR vaccines use entire live or attenuated viruses so your body makes antibodies to the entire thing.

mRNA was supposed to be the cats azz because it was faster and cheaper and could be tweaked. Where are the tweaks? Giving more of something thats not working isnt a solution. The original strain of covid probably doesnt even exist anymore.

[Blaithin]

A handful of kids get measles after vaccinated. In contrast 20% of the daily covid hospitalizations in Canada are vaxxed. In Israel that number is over 50% even after a 3rd booster.

mRNA is not a typical vaccine. It makes a subunit of the spike protein on the virus. Thats why its failing.

MMR vaccines use entire live or attenuated viruses so your body makes antibodies to the entire thing.

mRNA was supposed to be the cats azz because it was faster and cheaper and could be tweaked. Where are the tweaks? Giving more of something thats not working isnt a solution.

Ah, but are kids vaccinated for measles constantly inundated by the virus?

Since 99% (probably not the actual number but it’s high) of the population is vaccinated for measles, the chance of a child coming into contact with the virus is slim.

Translate that to Covid where the virus is currently quite active…. Why wouldn’t there be an expectation of more people with the vaccine still becoming ill.

Translate that to another vaccine, say like the flu, which only covers certain strains seasonally and therefore still allows people vaccinated to become ill with a strain outside of the chosen 5 for the year, then again, why is there an expectation that the Covid vaccinated wouldn’t get ill?

People using completely logical and known reasons for the vaccinated becoming ill as proof for why the vaccine is crap and they won’t get it makes them sound slightly moronic.

[flea beetle]

So you feel that, in the case of Israel, 50% of cases being vaxed people is acceptable?

You are talking a handful of breakthrough measles cases vs. a failed attempt at a vaccine.

What was that about sounding slightly moronic?

[TOM4CWB]

So you feel that, in the case of Israel, 50% of cases being vaxed people is acceptable?

Vaccines by their very nature need boosters.
How many breakthroughs were Pfizer after 120 days of the second Jab?

The WHO doesn’t want Jab 3rd booster shots because 2/3 of the world’s population has not been vaccinated in the first place…

Those over 65 and allowed the 3rd booster think about a Moderna jab, as it has over 3 times the active of Pfizer jab which clearly the data shows provides better protection .

Just saying

Cheers

[Blaithin]

So you feel that, in the case of Israel, 50% of cases being vaxed people is acceptable?

What was that about sounding slightly moronic?

I don’t know the details of Israel.

Are they predominantly a variant that’s mutated after the initial vaccines were under distribution?

Do they have any other measures in place?

How much of the population is vaccinated?

How severe are the cases that are vaccinated?

I’m not going to jump to conclusions based on one sentence I’ve read on an ag forum.

[flea beetle]

Vaccines by their very nature need boosters.
How many breakthroughs were Pfizer after 120 days of the second Jab?

The WHO doesn’t want Jab 3rd booster shots because 2/3 of the world’s population has not been vaccinated in the first place…

Those over 65 and allowed the 3rd booster think about a Moderna jab, as it has over 3 times the active of Pfizer jab which clearly the data shows provides better protection .

Just saying

Cheers

And what happens when the third jab starts waning in effect, but only half of the worlds population is triple vaxed? And they are needing a 4th booster? It isn’t feasible.

So we are going to be on lockdown forever then because they can’t roll out the boosters fast enough? If they lasted a year or two between boosters, then you guys might be on to something. But months worth of protection does not work in the real world.

And you for sure can’t discriminate between vaxed and unvaxed when the effectiveness of what you want to discriminate with is gone in mere months. If you want to get the jab, have at it, but F-off with the discrimination based on it.