Vaccine passport in Saskatchewan? How many days?

[flea beetle]

Yes that's true cases have done nothing but increase in the unvaccinated with a very few breathrough cases primarily in the elderly and immune compromised because with age our immune systems decline. We will probably need booster shots in a few months. But the science is still evolving as to who will need boosters.

JWAB when are you going to face reality head on? Kenney and Moe saw the evidence and have always called for people to vaccinate.

If you get covid and end up at the ER I hope you have the guts to admit you were wrong and if needed choose palliative care over the ICU. Because you have persisted in lying, spreading misinformation and putting vulnerable people in harms way.

So if it turns out that we go through the same thing as Israel and the like, where cases skyrocket despite vaccination, are you going to admit you were wrong and choose the palliative care option over the ICU?

[chuckChuck]

So if it turns out that we go through the same thing as Israel and the like, where cases skyrocket despite vaccination, are you going to admit you were wrong and chose the palliative care option over the ICU?

Except fully vaccinated healthy people have a very low risk of getting sick enough to go hospital. let alone end up in the ICU. If you would pay attention you would know this Flea.

But obviously you would rather take the advice of the snake oil salesmen and ignore the evidence and facts! LOL

[flea beetle]

Except fully vaccinated healthy people have a very low risk of getting sick enough to go hospital. let alone end up in the ICU. If you would pay attention you would know this Flea.

But obviously you would rather take the advice of the snake oil salesmen and ignore the evidence and facts! LOL

So Israel is fake news?

[fjlip]

So Israel is fake news?

And India is FAKE ivermectin news, Horse medicine killing them?

[sawfly]

Jazz , that is quite the plan you have there . Do not get an 18$ vaccination, instead build and staff ICU beds for you and your buddies.
You sure want to do it the hard way and make everyone else pay for it.
Oh God why didn't I think of that simple solution.
Even Kenny and Moe
are smarter than that
.You have said some nuts things ,
I think you truly outdid yourself
This time.

[flea beetle]

First covid cases I have heard of, of immediate neighbours. 3 cases total. Two are an older couple. Both double vaxed. The other is a lady in her 50’s. Unvaxed.

So my question is, if these vaxes work, how could 2/3 of the cases be in the double vaxed?

[BreadWinner]

What a load of crap Danielle Smith is spewing. Vaccinated people are not carrying the covid virus they are carrying a similar protein that the body has learned to attack. It almost amazing the antivax crowd has almost turned into the climate change wackos that will run you over if you questioned their climate science.

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[newguy]

Reliable Facebook research shows these guys are behind all this.

[chuckChuck]

So Israel is fake news?

We already covered this in another thread. The article below clearly shows that vaccines are doing their job to reduce infections and severity of illness in most people. Most of the people with breakthrough infections in Israel are elderly with other serious illnesses.

So you still have not made a case that vaccines don't work. The unvaccinated young and old are at much greater risk of severe illness and hospitalization The data out of Canada and Israel show this clearly. So quit wasting our time trying to avoid discussing whats going on at home in Saskatchewan and Alberta.

And there is nothing wrong with getting a booster shot. We already do it for all kinds of disease prevention.


Israeli doctors find severe COVID-19 breakthrough cases mostly in older, sicker patients
By Maayan Lubell

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-doctors-find-severe-covid-19-breakthrough-cases-mostly-older-sicker-2021-08-20/

JERUSALEM, Aug 20 (Reuters) - In Israel's COVID-19 wards, doctors are learning which vaccinated patients are most vulnerable to severe illness, amid growing concerns about instances in which the shots provide less protection against the worst forms of the disease.

Around half of the country's 600 patients presently hospitalized with severe illness have received two doses of the Pfizer Inc (PFE.N) shot, a rare occurrence out of 5.4 million fully vaccinated people.

The majority of these patients received two vaccine doses at least five months ago, are over the age of 60 and also have chronic illnesses known to exacerbate a coronavirus infection. They range from diabetes to heart disease and lung ailments, as well as cancers and inflammatory diseases that are treated with immune-system suppressing drugs, according to Reuters interviews with 11 doctors, health specialists and officials.

Such "breakthrough" cases have become central to a global debate over whether highly vaccinated countries should give booster doses of COVID-19 vaccines, and to which people.

Israel began offering booster doses to people age 60 and up in July, and has since expanded that eligibility.

The United States, citing data out of Israel and other findings, said on Wednesday it would make booster doses available to all Americans beginning in September.

Other countries, including France and Germany, have so far limited their booster plans to the elderly and people with weak immune systems.

"The vaccinated patients are older, unhealthy, often they were bedridden before infection, immobile and already requiring nursing care," said Noa Eliakim-Raz, head of the coronavirus ward at Rabin Medical Centre in Petach Tikva.

In contrast, "the unvaccinated COVID patients we see are young, healthy, working people and their condition deteriorates rapidly," she said. "Suddenly they're being put on oxygen or on a respirator."

Israel's Health Ministry raised new alarm this week with a report showing the effectiveness against severe disease of the Pfizer vaccine, developed with Germany's BioNTech, appeared to have dropped from more than 90% to 55% in people age 65 and up who received their second jab in January.

Disease experts say it is not clear how representative the figures are, but agree it is concerning given evidence that overall vaccine protection against infection is waning.

They cannot say whether that is due to the amount of time that has passed since inoculation, the ability of the highly contagious Delta variant to evade protection, the age and underlying health of the people vaccinated, or a combination of all of these factors.

Health officials in the UK and United States, two other nations with high vaccination rates and a spike in Delta infections, have reported similar trends. In the UK, about 35% of the people hospitalized with a Delta case in recent weeks had received two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine. Nearly three-quarters of U.S. breakthrough infections that led to hospitalization or death were among people age 65 or older, according to federal data.

U.S. officials said their booster plan is based on concern that over time, the vaccines will provide less protection against severe disease, including among younger adults.

"We are watching other countries carefully and (are) concerned that we too will see what Israel is seeing, which is worsening infections over time" among vaccinated people, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Rochelle Walensky said at a press conference on Wednesday.

The World Health Organization has repeatedly urged wealthy nations to refrain from providing boosters while much of the world has yet to access their first COVID vaccine doses.

IMMUNE RESPONSE

The Delta variant, first identified in India, has become the dominant version of the SARS-CoV-2 virus globally, accelerating a pandemic that has killed more than 4.4 million people.

In Israel, daily new cases have increased from the single digits in June to around 8,000 since the arrival of Delta. Approximately half of the cases - the majority of them mild to moderate - are in vaccinated people.

Those vaccinated first in Israel were at high-risk, including people age 60 and up. The immune response of some may have weakened by the time Delta hit Israel. But for others with underlying health conditions, the vaccine may have not kicked in at all.

"For some of them the vaccine did not trigger an immune response, they had no antibodies, because of the illness itself or because they are treated with medication that suppresses the immune system," said Dror Mevorach, who heads the coronavirus ward at Hadassah hospital in Jerusalem. He cited examples such as chronic lymphocytic leukemia and lymphoma.

Among 3 million vaccinated Israelis covered by Clalit, the country's largest healthcare provider, 600 have suffered severe breakthrough cases since June. Around 75% of them were above the age of 70 and were at least 5 months after their second dose, according to Ran Balicer, Clalit's chief innovation officer. Nearly all of them have chronic illnesses.

"We are hardly seeing young vaccinated people in severe condition," said Balicer.

In the UK, doctors described similar characteristics among vaccinated patients who fall severely ill.

"In those people who come in, because of their age, because of their co-morbidities, they might be people that you would expect that the vaccine is not quite so efficacious as other age groups," said Tom Wingfield, a clinical lecturer at the Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine.

A new surge in U.S. coronavirus cases and deaths has been fueled by Delta, particularly in states where vaccination rates remain low. Among vaccinated patients who become infected, there is evidence of older people being hit harder.

In Texas, 92% of the vaccine breakthrough cases that resulted in death were in people over the age of 60 and 75% had a known underlying condition that put them at high risk from COVID-19, according to a public health department spokesperson.

Initial data in Israel suggests the booster shots administered in the last few weeks are reducing the risk of infection in older people compared with those who have received only two doses. read more .

Even without boosters, Israeli doctors say that vaccinated patients tend to recover more quickly.

"The vaccinated patients I've treated usually left the ICU in about three days. The unvaccinated patients took a week or two until they stabilized," said Yael Haviv-Yadid, head of the critical care ward at Sheba Medical Centre near Tel Aviv.

Even if the vaccine did not stop them getting ill, it may have mitigated their illness, said Alex Rozov, head of the coronavirus ward at Barzilai Medical Centre in Ashkelon.

"Our cautious impression is that the vaccinated patients suffer an easier course of illness - the treatment is more effective among those who have antibodies."

[chuckChuck]

I see Big Lentil is on to another conspiracy without any context or relationship to covid?

A sure sign he is a regular subscriber to several conspiracy sites from way out in right field past the foul line!

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