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Just saying here, but when chuck posted that fake news about an Oklahoma hospital being overrun with ivermectin overdoses, did biglentil ask chuck to provide evidence to support his claim, and throw a hissy fit when chuck wouldn’t? Or did he go find info for himself that refutes that claim?
That is how things are supposed to be done…Last edited by flea beetle; Sep 20, 2021, 16:29.
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Originally posted by flea beetle View PostIsreal aside, explain the rising number of double vaxed getting covid then. It isn't just 1 or 2 breakthrough cases anymore. It is a significant number of people.
"So to just pick names of countries at a specific
Point proves nothing unless you know how they
Got to where they are."
So we aren't supposed to ask questions when the most vaccinated places have some of the highest case loads in the world? Interesting...
Exactly as one would expect.
Cheers
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Originally posted by TOM4CWB View Post120 days after Pfizer Jab 2 it has lost a chunk of protection. No big surprises as early vaccinated people get Covid as Delta variant is much more infectious.
Exactly as one would expect.
Cheers
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According to an expert panel at a recent FDA advisory meeting the vaccines are killing 5 for every life saved. 16-2 voted AGAINST booster shots. I've attached portions you can listen to the full testimonies to the FDA in this 8 minute video:https://rumble.com/vmobfc-bombshell-...s-are-kil.html
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Originally posted by burnt View PostTom, you should be banned forever for spreading misinformation.
Here is why;
"Moderna’s shot contains 100 micrograms of vaccine, more than three times the 30 micrograms in the Pfizer shot."
Therefore:
..."Researchers from around the country found striking differences between two mRNA vaccines long thought to be interchangeable.
When the Moderna vaccine received emergency use authorization in December, the company reported that 30 people in its clinical trial developed severe cases of COVID-19, including nine who required hospitalization. All 30 patients were in the placebo group, resulting in a vaccine efficacy against severe disease of 100%.
Ten people in Pfizer's initial clinical trial developed severe cases of COVID-19. Nine of them were in the placebo group, including seven who were hospitalized, resulting in a vaccine efficacy against severe disease of 88.9%.
Once the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines were rolled out to the public, their records of preventing COVID-19 hospitalizations in the first four months were neck and neck — 93% and 91% effective, respectively. But the degree of protection diverged after that.
When they focused specifically on the period 120 days beyond the second dose, the study authors found that the Moderna vaccine remained 92% effective at preventing COVID-19 hospitalizations. But the equivalent figure for the Pfizer vaccine was 77%.
The results were published in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.
Both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are based on mRNA technology, which delivers temporary instructions to the body’s muscle cells that help it learn to recognize the spike protein, a key part of the coronavirus’ structure. But “they're actually not necessarily interchangeable,†said Dr. Timothy Brewer, a professor of medicine and epidemiology at UCLA.
Each vaccine is formulated and administered differently, Brewer said, and those differences could affect the strength and duration of the two vaccines' protection.
Moderna’s shot contains 100 micrograms of vaccine, more than three times the 30 micrograms in the Pfizer shot. And Pfizer’s two doses are given three weeks apart, while Moderna’s two-shot regimen is administered with a four-week gap.
Brewer also pointed to evidence that the Moderna vaccine seemed to elicit higher levels of a key antibody than the Pfizer vaccine.
“We know from other studies the neutralizing antibody levels will decay over time, so starting at a higher level will mean that you have farther to go before you decay to a point where efficacy drops off,†he said.
Dr. Robert Murphy, who directs Northwestern University's Institute for Global Health, said the Pfizer vaccine's reduced protection against severe disease may bolster the case for boosters for all who got the vaccine, not just the specific groups identified by the FDA advisory panel."...
https://ca.yahoo.com/news/big-gap-between-pfizer-moderna-034719881.html
This CDC info on protection from Covid-19 generally available…sad it is not more readily available....
Cheers have a safe harvest!!!Last edited by TOM4CWB; Sep 21, 2021, 10:53.
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Originally posted by TOM4CWB View PostBurnt; there is a big difference between Moderna and Pfizer vaccine protection levels. Facts not fiction… registration data not rumours…
Here is why;
"Moderna’s shot contains 100 micrograms of vaccine, more than three times the 30 micrograms in the Pfizer shot."
Therefore:
..."Researchers from around the country found striking differences between two mRNA vaccines long thought to be interchangeable.
When the Moderna vaccine received emergency use authorization in December, the company reported that 30 people in its clinical trial developed severe cases of COVID-19, including nine who required hospitalization. All 30 patients were in the placebo group, resulting in a vaccine efficacy against severe disease of 100%.
Ten people in Pfizer's initial clinical trial developed severe cases of COVID-19. Nine of them were in the placebo group, including seven who were hospitalized, resulting in a vaccine efficacy against severe disease of 88.9%.
Once the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines were rolled out to the public, their records of preventing COVID-19 hospitalizations in the first four months were neck and neck — 93% and 91% effective, respectively. But the degree of protection diverged after that.
When they focused specifically on the period 120 days beyond the second dose, the study authors found that the Moderna vaccine remained 92% effective at preventing COVID-19 hospitalizations. But the equivalent figure for the Pfizer vaccine was 77%.
The results were published in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.
Both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are based on mRNA technology, which delivers temporary instructions to the body’s muscle cells that help it learn to recognize the spike protein, a key part of the coronavirus’ structure. But “they're actually not necessarily interchangeable,†said Dr. Timothy Brewer, a professor of medicine and epidemiology at UCLA.
Each vaccine is formulated and administered differently, Brewer said, and those differences could affect the strength and duration of the two vaccines' protection.
Moderna’s shot contains 100 micrograms of vaccine, more than three times the 30 micrograms in the Pfizer shot. And Pfizer’s two doses are given three weeks apart, while Moderna’s two-shot regimen is administered with a four-week gap.
Brewer also pointed to evidence that the Moderna vaccine seemed to elicit higher levels of a key antibody than the Pfizer vaccine.
“We know from other studies the neutralizing antibody levels will decay over time, so starting at a higher level will mean that you have farther to go before you decay to a point where efficacy drops off,†he said.
Dr. Robert Murphy, who directs Northwestern University's Institute for Global Health, said the Pfizer vaccine's reduced protection against severe disease may bolster the case for boosters for all who got the vaccine, not just the specific groups identified by the FDA advisory panel."...
https://ca.yahoo.com/news/big-gap-between-pfizer-moderna-034719881.html
This CDC info on protection from Covid-19 generally available…sad it is not more readily available....
Cheers have a safe harvest!!!
Cheers to endless boosters resulting in an endless plandemic.Last edited by biglentil; Sep 21, 2021, 11:15.
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Originally posted by biglentil View PostTom those efficacy figures you ate quoting came from Phizer and Moderna's own internal study. Other studies like the Israeli studies show that efficacy is no where near the claimed figures, nor is the safety. Manufacturers never fudge the effectiveness or safety of their products do they? Especially when they are completely absolved from all liability of said product.
Cheers to endless boosters resulting in an endless plandemic.
The formulation of the Pfizer at 30 and Moderna at 100 is accurate wouldn’t you agree?
The studies were peer reviewed and Accepted by the CDC … and Health Canada… for emergency use then full registration.
You were wondering why there are break through Covid infections… no vaccines are 100 % effective… and most do have side effects… my young grandson got the measles vaccine and a day later had a temperature of F105… a day later he was more or less normal and we were all very happy he did not perish!!!The Moderna second jab made my wife and I sick for over a week after the injections… we are alive now and glad to have the antibodies… It is a given that Moderna has more side effects than Pfizer because the dosage is over 3x as much!
DYODD…
Many Blessings and have a safe harvest!Last edited by TOM4CWB; Sep 21, 2021, 14:35.
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Originally posted by TOM4CWB View PostBurnt:
The formulation of the Pfizer at 30 and Moderna at 100 is accurate wouldn’t you agree?
The studies were peer reviewed and Accepted by the CDC … and Health Canada… for emergency use then full registration.
You were wondering why there are break through Covid infections… no vaccines are 100 % effective… and most do have side effects… my young grandson got the measles vaccine and a day later had a temperature of F105… a day later he was more or less normal and we were all very happy he did not perish!!!The Moderna second jab made my wife and I sick for over a week after the injections… we are alive now and glad to have the antibodies… It is a given that Moderna has more side effects than Pfizer because the dosage is over 3x as much!
DYODD…
Many Blessings and have a safe harvest!Last edited by biglentil; Sep 21, 2021, 13:42.
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Fun fact 6214 death from opioid toxicity in 2020 Canada. Most deaths among males & individuals aged 20-49: males account for majority of the opioid deaths 77%. Total male death 4,784 in 2020 ages 20-49 https://health-infobase.canada.ca/substance-related-harms/opioids-stimulants/
How many covid deaths in Canada ages 20-49?.... 596 in 20months https://cdn-ceo-ca.s3.amazonaws.com/1gkjtf5-E8779CD6-66E3-495F-B155-A89A54C366CE.jpeg+
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Originally posted by biglentil View PostYou sound like you're parroting Bill Gates. So I was sick with the real thing for 4 days, have natural antibodies that provide me with 27x better protection than the vaccinated, and my DNA remains unaltered. Tell me again why you got the shot and continue to promote it?
We Grandparents have 8 grandchildren and some of our family work in Alberta Healthcare here and they farm with us.
Responsible folks would do everything possible to have a safe health and work environment for families and friends and businesses that we work with during our day to day activities.
We got the vaccines for the safety of others… our possible side effects are secondary and when we die we have faith we in good conscience are being responsible citizens even though we put our selves at increased risk as a side effect of the vaccines… or not depending on how things work out in the long term respecting the safety of these vaccines.
Cheers, Many Blessings, have a safe and prosperous harvest!!!
PS finally got dry Canola (8.8) today!!!
The Fababeans are a big mess to harvest, coming back in bloom for the 3rd time after Reglone a week ago!Last edited by TOM4CWB; Sep 21, 2021, 14:39.
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Originally posted by TOM4CWB View PostBig lentil;
We Grandparents have 8 grandchildren and some of our family work in Alberta Healthcare here and they farm with us.
Responsible folks would do everything possible to have a safe health and work environment for families and friends and businesses that we work with during our day to day activities.
We got the vaccines for the safety of others… our possible side effects are secondary and when we die we have faith we in good conscience are being responsible citizens even though we put our selves at increased risk as a side effect of the vaccines… or not depending on how things work out in the long term respecting the safety of these vaccines.
Cheers, Many Blessings, have a safe and prosperous harvest!!!
PS finally got dry Canola (8.8) today!!!
The Fababeans are a big mess to harvest, coming back in bloom for the 3rd time after Reglone a week ago!
However, have you considered the potential risk to your family and grandchildren from your shedding spike proteins?
Or the potential harm to their immune systems by a jab that permanently alters your dna while providing minimal protection, both in immediate efficacy and duration?
Or the fact that you may be infected with the Wuhan strain or the delta "variety" or the Mu, and unknowingly spreading and shedding the virus to your family, neighbors and friends?
It's best to look at all known possibilities.
And on the ethics side have you given consideration to the example you set for your grandchildren by caving in to a snake oil sales job by unelected bureaucrats who keep changing their story weekly?
In the civics side, have you thought about how you have compromised your grandchildren's' future by helping to facilitate medical apartheid and fascist governments by your unquestioning cooperation?Last edited by burnt; Sep 21, 2021, 15:53.
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