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    Senior Sask. doc fears 'unthinkable' decisions about who gets care during 4th wave 'not far off'

    'We are 1 major multi-vehicle car crash or major trauma away from an unheard-of turning point': Dr. Susan Shaw

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/covid-19-saskatchewan-ethical-framework-susan-shaw-4th-wave-icu-beds-1.6178931

    Guy Quenneville · CBC News · Posted: Sep 17, 2021 6:34 AM CT | Last Updated: 28 minutes ago
    A projection shared among Saskatchewan Health Authority officials on Thursday posits that there could be 125 COVID-19 patients under intensive care by Sept. 30, compared to the 48 currently in ICUs. (Evan Mitsui/CBC)

    Saskatchewan may be bringing back mandatory masks and introducing a proof-of-vaccination program for non-essential businesses to help blunt the fourth wave of COVID-19, but those in charge say difficult decisions may still lie ahead for the province's health care workers.

    Scott Livingstone, the CEO of the Saskatchewan Heath Authority (SHA) — the operational arm of the province's health system — said in a news conference Thursday that COVID-19 patients admitted to hospital today are people who were infected two weeks ago.

    "There's very little we can do today to stop [those future hospital admissions] from happening, other than building capacity, supporting our staff and using tools like slowdowns," Livingstone said of steps already announced late last week.

    Saskatchewan had 218 COVID-19 patients in hospital as of Thursday, including 48 people in intensive care units. The province hasn't seen that many infected people in ICUs since the third wave, when there were 49 infected ICU patients on April 25. And those figures do not even include ICU patients without COVID-19.

    During a virtual town hall with physicians on Thursday night, the SHA signalled that it had moved to the second of four escalating phases of ICU capacity, compared to the first stage three weeks ago.
    (submitted to CBC News)

    In the first stage, coded green, the system has enough beds for those who need to be placed in ICUs. Saskatchewan works with a base of 79 ICU beds, distributed throughout the following communities:

    Battlefords Union Hospital (North Battleford): 3.
    Victoria Hospital (Prince Albert): 8.
    Royal University Hospital (Saskatoon): 15.
    St. Paul's Hospital (Saskatoon): 12.
    Regina General Hospital Surgical ICU: 10.
    Regina General Hospital Medical ICU: 10.
    Pasqua Hospital (Regina): 7.
    Cypress Regional Hospital (Swift Current): 4.
    Five Hills Health Region (Moose Jaw): 4.
    Yorkton Regional Centre: 6.

    In the second stage, coded yellow, the system is challenged and health care is affected; hence the service slowdowns (including elective surgeries) announced late last week, which allow the province to "surge" to up to 116 ICU beds by redeploying staff.

    The SHA directed its workers last week to surge even further, to up to 130 ICU beds, including 80 ICU beds for COVID-19 patients.

    In a table shared among SHA division heads before Thursday's town hall — a document which was obtained by CBC News — projections were shared indicating that Saskatchewan could see a rolling seven-day average of 125 infected people in ICUs by Sept. 30.
    (submitted to CBC News)

    "We will use all resources available to us to care for both COVID and non-COVID patients during this time," Livingstone said during the news conference of the coming weeks.

    "But we will be tested as an organization like we have never been tested before."
    'An unheard-of turning point'

    Dr. Susan Shaw, the SHA's chief medical officer, said she feared the health system is edging closer to having to make "unthinkable" decisions about who gets care and who does not, under the SHA's "Saskatchewan Critical Care Resource Allocation Framework."

    The ethical framework has been in place since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic and is used on a case-by-case basis, Shaw said.

    "We are already deciding which patient's surgery will be delayed to create space for COVID patients and who needs to be transferred to another facility because we need their bed for sicker COVID patients."

    But Shaw said she's worried the framework will need to be put to more use in the coming weeks.

    "That this is the case when we have a vaccine, when we know what other measures can prevent and control COVID-19, breaks my heart," Shaw said in a Thursday note to health care workers obtained by CBC News.
    Dr. Susan Shaw is the Saskatchewan Health Authority's chief medical officer. (Zoom)

    Shaw said the system is one major multi-vehicle crash or major trauma away from "an unheard-of turning point."

    "I am worried we are not far off from having to make decisions about who receives life-saving care, and who receives palliative care, who gets ICU care, and who does not. Our resources are being stretched thin."

    Health care workers need Saskatchewan citizens to get vaccinated, stay masked and keep their distance from each other, she said.

    Dr. Saqib Shahab, Saskatchewan's chief medical health officer — who makes public health recommendations to the Saskatchewan government — echoed Shaw during the news conference. He said much depends on what people do or don't do in the coming weeks.

    "We are reaching a phase where if things continue unabated, people who have COVID won't have an ICU bed. People who don't have COVID but have a heart attack won't have an ICU bed. And of course, people who are waiting for urgent surgery will keep getting delayed. So I think things are at a critical juncture."

    Dr. Alex Wong, an infectious disease physician with the SHA, said the new measures announced Thursday are "a good start."
    Saskatchewan's Measures
    15 hours ago
    5:29
    Premier Scott Moe announces mandatory masking and proof of vaccination policies. Regina-based specialist Dr. Alex Wong joins "The Rundown" host Carole MacNeil on CBC News Network for analysis after his remarks 5:29

    Masking will be required in all indoor public spaces beginning on Friday.

    On Oct. 1, people visiting a wide range of non-essential businesses — from movie theatres to nightclubs — will be required to show proof of full vaccination or proof that they recently tested negative for COVID-19 (at their own cost, according to Premier Scott Moe).

    Sask. Premier Scott Moe announces mandatory masking and proof of vaccination policies

    "I'm not super confident that this is going to be enough," Wong said, adding that he's hopeful Saskatchewan will follow Alberta's lead and also limit the size of gatherings again.

    "When you look at our curve relative to Alberta's curve, we're on that same super dangerous, steep upward trajectory," he said.

    Dr. Shahab said that if hospitalization numbers don't decline, "as we've said before, other measures will have to be on the table."

    However, it's the Saskatchewan government that ultimately decides whether to act on Dr. Shahab's recommendations.

    Moe, when asked Thursday if he took responsibility for the fourth wave of COVID-19 in Saskatchewan, said his government is always making decisions "collaboratively" and with "the information that we have at that point in time."

    #2
    Moe and company can't say they weren't warned.

    So what should be the penalty for a government that was negligent and failed to provide protection for its citizens with science based healthcare measures?

    How many unnecessary deaths and illnesses are going to be the responsibility of Moe and the Sask Party?

    If you are this incompetent and negligent on the covid file, shouldn't somebody resign or be fired?

    They are blaming the unavvcinated instead of themselves. And Moe will take no responsibility or apologize. Kenney at least did that.

    But kids under 12 are not eligible for vaccinations. So that has to be on them.

    I hope they can't sleep for awhile! And maybe Saskatchewan voters will wake up and send these yahoos a message.

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      #3
      Sask Party -----goooood

      NDP -----baaaad

      thats all that matters.

      Now lets go spend 4 billion on wealth transfer for our supporters and the slush fund.

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        #4
        If only we had another global transportation
        Hub.

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          #5
          you thrive on bad news chuckles , is your life that bad ?
          hows harvest going ?

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            #6
            The real die hard antivaxers who purposely spread misinformation, conspiracy theories and lies should have the guts to disclose their antivax opinions if they end up in the ER needing healthcare because of covid.

            That way if the doctors are having a hard time deciding who gets an ICU bed or palliative care it will make their decision easier. (satire)

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              #7
              Originally posted by caseih View Post
              you thrive on bad news chuckles , is your life that bad ?
              hows harvest going ?
              Whaaat? Lame case very lame.

              So if you or family end up in the ER do you want them to have good healthcare? Need I say more?

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                #8
                79 ICU beds for 1.3 million people eh. Theres the sad joke in our socialist health care fiasco. Sure could use all those hospitals the NDP closed. I can see the old plains hospital from my window. Good one Roy.

                But sure Mr Wong, get some more measures in there. The unvaxxed are already locked out. Go for the zero covid approach like Australia and drag people to camps. Do it. And when the cases dont stop and vaxxed are in ICU beds too, I would love to hear the story then.

                My family has already boycotted restaurants after seeing their insane price markups in the spring. Good luck raising it all again to make up for the other 30% of customers who will never frequent your place.

                We are all in this together. LOL

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by jazz View Post
                  79 ICU beds for 1.3 million people eh. Theres the sad joke in our socialist health care fiasco. Sure could use all those hospitals the NDP closed. I can see the old plains hospital from my window. Good one Roy.

                  But sure Mr Wong, get some more measures in there. The unvaxxed are already locked out. Go for the zero covid approach like Australia and drag people to camps. Do it. And when the cases dont stop and vaxxed are in ICU beds too, I would love to hear the story then.

                  My family has already boycotted restaurants after seeing their insane price markups in the spring. Good luck raising it all again to make up for the other 30% of customers who will never frequent your place.

                  We are all in this together. LOL
                  But you forgot to talk about the shortage of ICU beds and over run hospitals because of covid in the private healthcare mecca of the USA!

                  Seems like the Sask Party had lots of ICU beds prior to the covidiots deciding that vaccines are the devils work! LOL

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                    #10
                    There has been plenty of time to increase the number of ICU beds. Young people are lining up for their vaccine at Southland Mall.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by sumdumguy View Post
                      There has been plenty of time to increase the number of ICU beds. Young people are lining up for their vaccine at Southland Mall.
                      If Canada ever had a real emergency, our health care system and its administrative buffoons would fold like a cheap suit the first day.

                      We are at the bottom of the pack for hospital capacity per capita including ICU, critical care, emergency room, attending physicians and nurses. Winning. LOL

                      Country is a joke. All its treasure is wasted on everything but what matters. How many hospitals would our $20B in equalization build? Instead flushed into the Quebec hole every stupid year.

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                        Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                        Whaaat? Lame case very lame.

                        So if you or family end up in the ER do you want them to have good healthcare? Need I say more?
                        Nobody in my family has died from covid. I can't say that they haven't had covid, because most people don't even have symptoms when they get covid.

                        My dad got the clot shot and ended up with a blood clot in his heart.

                        So why add more chance for something bad to happen? Need I say more?

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by jazz View Post
                          If Canada ever had a real emergency, our health care system and its administrative buffoons would fold like a cheap suit the first day.

                          We are at the bottom of the pack for hospital capacity per capita including ICU, critical care, emergency room, attending physicians and nurses. Winning. LOL

                          Country is a joke. All its treasure is wasted on everything but what matters. How many hospitals would our $20B in equalization build? Instead flushed into the Quebec hole every stupid year.
                          When this debacle started a year and half or so ago, I thought the same thing. Imagine if something bad were to actually happen? A terror attack, a plane crash, mine collapse, bridge failure, you name it. Our health care system and it’s ability to cope with an actual panic situation is frightening.

                          The fact that people actually condone a vax passport is more unbelievable and frightening than the stupid passport itself. It is unreal to me that people have been hoodwinked into believing that this will work, is fair, is in line with the charter, makes any lick of common sense.

                          The “educated” , are really VERY, VERY stupid.

                          That’s what frightens me.

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                              #15
                              Fee for a service private healthcare in the US is overwhelmed as well by covid in many states. So you can cut the bullshit about how bad Canada's healthcare is.

                              The last people you want managing a healthcare crisis like a pandemic is bonehead libertarians!

                              The only thing they can think of is themselves and tend not to pay attention to advice from well trained specialists and experts.

                              People who argue against common sense preventitive masks and vaccines are out to lunch in so many ways.

                              Don't try to to tell the libertarians to wash their hands after they have a crap before they eat their sandwich. Or not to cutup vegetables for the salad after they cut up raw chicken on the same unwashed cutting board.

                              The libertarians will call it an infringement on their rights and a government conspiracy! LOL

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