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    #76
    Originally posted by flea beetle View Post
    Government didn't shut down farms. And drought isn't the same as a "pandemic" coming out of nowhere. Drought is a known risk that can happen to all farmers before they start the year. And there is already an insurance for it. It should be worked into their "what if" plan.

    The everyday citizen doesn't have the luxury of an insurance program already in place for a pandemic before they start the year.
    What is employment insurance for then, for the everyday citizen?

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      #77
      Originally posted by bucket View Post
      What is employment insurance for then, for the everyday citizen?
      EI only lasts up to a max of 45 weeks. This "pandemic" is getting close to 2 years. Your crop insurance is full coverage every year. EI can not be drawn for 45 weeks every year.

      I do agree though. People should be getting back to work about now.
      Last edited by flea beetle; Oct 1, 2021, 02:21.

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        #78
        Originally posted by Oliver88 View Post
        I’m thinking there will be NDP bumper stickers on Bigwheels Dodge 3500 that he uses to drive to the post office.

        I’m not aware of any area in SK with a 4-5 year drought?
        After the flood years, in this 2017 to present timeframe, the only year that wasn’t a drought was 2019, but we combined half the farm in the spring.

        What is more crucial, is to get a rain in July. In every one of the last 5 years, with the exception of 2019, I have had no rain in the July 1 to Aug 10 period with the exception of pavement wetters which don’t count. This year was an anomaly, where the no rain period started June 11 and extended to Aug 9 making a full two months without a real rain.

        I am in East Central Sask. Yes, I have had drought 4 of the last five years and have read the weekly crop reports on here, but my yields have been about half the whole time except for 2019. The rains keep missing us and 2 miles north of me they have had rain and had bumper crops all through this timeframe. It’s frustrating as hell to watch. And try having half crops in past years where there was no increase in crop prices.

        Remember people, what goes around comes around. I too was a cocky young farmer thinking I was doing everything right through the good years. For once its nice to see others in the same boat.

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          #79
          There are areas that have had some very tough luck the past 4-5 years with abnormal weather
          We too are on the edge of an area
          One decent year out of 5 does not make it fun in today’s ag environment no matter how good you think your farm practices area or your fiscal management.
          There are a lot of farms NE of here that are in very real trouble. Some are 4 and 5 th generation farms that are very good operations .

          It’s not real tough if your crops are even at least average nearly every year .
          But through in 3 or 4 bad years out of 5 and things drastically change
          Having one bad year out of 5 should never be a problem with proper insurance and a well managed fiscally responsible farm .

          Throw in a few very dry years , hail , a few early fall heavy snow events the ruin crop quality all in a row and I don’t care how fiscally responsible your farm may be , with the constant rise in land rents , inputs , parts , labour , machinery .... even used lately , the financial crunch becomes very very real even on the best managed farms .

          Good luck to all , but realize that it has not been all roses everywhere the past 5 years . It’s an attitude within the ag industry as well and it’s unfortunate

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            #80
            People make their own bed and either enjoy sleeping in it or spend their lives wishing they had picked a different bed. It’s your choice. You decide to presell product you don’t have and you are angry because some one else wouldn’t touch it with a ten-foot pole. Now what do you want the taxpayers to do about it?

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              #81
              Renting 2/3s of your land base and not owning the 1/3 you bought is along ways from financially stable. I wouldn’t be buying any iron or houses either in that position. Renting land is a disaster waiting to happen. Your lucky 1/3 is your parents. I don’t think your in the position to be giving advise. Sometimes the wolf at the door has the same last name, then your working the next 30 years for lil sisters fancy new house in the city. No matter how good of operator/money manager you are Mother Nature will always be the boss. Stay humble, and be thankful for what u have, and stop looking down on others u have no clue how fast things can change.

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                #82
                Originally posted by sumdumguy View Post
                People make their own bed and either enjoy sleeping in it or spend their lives wishing they had picked a different bed. It’s your choice. You decide to presell product you don’t have and you are angry because some one else wouldn’t touch it with a ten-foot pole. Now what do you want the taxpayers to do about it?
                The preselling of product and the resulting contract shortages are top of list of priorities for SARM, APAS, and SASKEVERYTHING ( flax, pulses, wheat, barley, canola etc) and ignoring everyone else.

                And then there is a guy that brags about having a year deferred income at half price because he knew a drought was coming and can now go three years without a hiccup.

                The sad part is eventually a couple bad years come along. Some people won't admit previous generations received handouts , some can realize the help they are getting because they are a self made farm.

                We have really phucked up representation on the farm groups but things happening now might finally wake them up.

                It just depends how long they want to ignore the real issues so they don't lose the opportunity to buy out the neighbour before it hits home hard.

                Its really an example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

                Next year with a third of the herd gone and logistics for corn from the states, not much chance of a market for feed barley.

                Cant grow durum on lentil stubble sprayed with residual chemicals.

                Canola, with the current condition at worse moisture shape than 2020 at this time, is risky.

                Glyphosate at 12.5 a liter , fertilizer at the moon.

                There are just alot of issues being ignored.

                Taxpayers were expected to spend half a trillion to keep people from losing everything....western Canada needs 10 billion from having the same thing happen. Everyone ignores the issues facing western canadian farmers.
                Last edited by bucket; Oct 1, 2021, 07:01.

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                  #83
                  Originally posted by Lexion760tt View Post
                  Renting 2/3s of your land base and not owning the 1/3 you bought is along ways from financially stable. I wouldn’t be buying any iron or houses either in that position. Renting land is a disaster waiting to happen. Your lucky 1/3 is your parents. I don’t think your in the position to be giving advise. Sometimes the wolf at the door has the same last name, then your working the next 30 years for lil sisters fancy new house in the city. No matter how good of operator/money manager you are Mother Nature will always be the boss. Stay humble, and be thankful for what u have, and stop looking down on others u have no clue how fast things can change.
                  So true Lexion, management is only one piece of the puzzle. Sometimes luck and good business practice covers up for Mother Nature’s wrath. There are many people who hold product over - just in case. When the price is too low, they lock the bins and wait for crop shortages. I know guys with 3 years of Flax and Canaryseed. Now they are calling around-getting ready to pull the trigger. Different strokes for different folks. 👍

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                    #84
                    Originally posted by sumdumguy View Post
                    So true Lexion, management is only one piece of the puzzle. Sometimes luck and good business practice covers up for Mother Nature’s wrath. There are many people who hold product over - just in case. When the price is too low, they lock the bins and wait for crop shortages. I know guys with 3 years of Flax and Canaryseed. Now they are calling around-getting ready to pull the trigger. Different strokes for different folks. 👍
                    I know guy that is getting more for his heated flax and canola than what alot of contract shortage guys signed their predicted production contracts for this past spring.

                    He said he was within pennies of the new crop spot canola price last week.

                    And he sold heated flax for more than any of his good flax last year...

                    FN crazy.

                    Meanwhile some on here talk about a years deferred at low prices and tells guys to live within their means.

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                      #85
                      Originally posted by bucket View Post
                      The preselling of product and the resulting contract shortages are top of list of priorities for SARM, APAS, and SASKEVERYTHING ( flax, pulses, wheat, barley, canola etc) and ignoring everyone else.

                      And then there is a guy that brags about having a year deferred income at half price because he knew a drought was coming and can now go three years without a hiccup.

                      The sad part is eventually a couple bad years come along. Some people won't admit previous generations received handouts , some can realize the help they are getting because they are a self made farm.

                      We have really phucked up representation on the farm groups but things happening now might finally wake them up.

                      It just depends how long they want to ignore the real issues so they don't lose the opportunity to buy out the neighbour before it hits home hard.

                      Its really an example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

                      Next year with a third of the herd gone and logistics for corn from the states, not much chance of a market for feed barley.

                      Cant grow durum on lentil stubble sprayed with residual chemicals.

                      Canola, with the current condition at worse moisture shape than 2020 at this time, is risky.

                      Glyphosate at 12.5 a liter , fertilizer at the moon.

                      There are just alot of issues being ignored.

                      Taxpayers were expected to spend half a trillion to keep people from losing everything....western Canada needs 10 billion from having the same thing happen. Everyone ignores the issues facing western canadian farmers.
                      Bucket there is no doubt that the last 5 years of weather has created a lot of hardship.

                      The biggest problem with Agristability is that it is not a bankable program. If you are a MNP client maybe it is but for the majority it is of very little benefit.

                      Yes the federal government spent countless billions during the pandemic that I would argue wasn’t needed. I am not sure how you target government assistance to those that need it. Is it the government’s job to help bail out the farmer that pre-sold 40 bushels of barley per acre and only produced 15? There are certain areas that need far more help than others but within those areas there will be farms that got a rain and others that didn’t!

                      And yes price and availability of inputs will be a huge issue. Glyphosate and fertilizer basically doubling is hard to fathom!

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                        #86
                        Originally posted by Lexion760tt View Post
                        Renting 2/3s of your land base and not owning the 1/3 you bought is along ways from financially stable. I wouldn’t be buying any iron or houses either in that position. Renting land is a disaster waiting to happen. Your lucky 1/3 is your parents. I don’t think your in the position to be giving advise. Sometimes the wolf at the door has the same last name, then your working the next 30 years for lil sisters fancy new house in the city. No matter how good of operator/money manager you are Mother Nature will always be the boss. Stay humble, and be thankful for what u have, and stop looking down on others u have no clue how fast things can change.
                        I wasn’t looking down on his situation. I was sick of listening to “we need a handout”.

                        So you don’t think that he could have saved a small amount every year like $10,000 and had at least $300,000 in a “just in case” account? Isn’t that more responsible than doing nothing, and expecting a bail out?

                        And believe me. I know how fast things change in this game. Why do you think I have been saving? Deferring ahead, pre-buying inputs, saving accounts, buying stocks?

                        If I cashed in my stocks and savings, and quit pre-buying inputs, I could pay for half of the land. And would still have almost a years worth of income deferred ahead. So don’t worry about me.

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                          #87
                          Originally posted by Hamloc View Post
                          Bucket there is no doubt that the last 5 years of weather has created a lot of hardship.

                          The biggest problem with Agristability is that it is not a bankable program. If you are a MNP client maybe it is but for the majority it is of very little benefit.

                          Yes the federal government spent countless billions during the pandemic that I would argue wasn’t needed. I am not sure how you target government assistance to those that need it. Is it the government’s job to help bail out the farmer that pre-sold 40 bushels of barley per acre and only produced 15? There are certain areas that need far more help than others but within those areas there will be farms that got a rain and others that didn’t!

                          And yes price and availability of inputs will be a huge issue. Glyphosate and fertilizer basically doubling is hard to fathom!
                          The lobby effort for contract shortages is just fn stupid...if they help in one form or another then all farmers should get help.


                          There are articles of guys being out 100s of thousands....if they get help on that ....then where is everyone else's 100,000 for the farm ? They have a short crop as well just didn't sign any contracts this spring.

                          Sadly this lobby effort writes an IOU to the graincos for every farmer.
                          Last edited by bucket; Oct 1, 2021, 08:28.

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                            #88
                            Originally posted by bucket View Post
                            I know guy that is getting more for his heated flax and canola than what alot of contract shortage guys signed their predicted production contracts for this past spring.

                            He said he was within pennies of the new crop spot canola price last week.

                            And he sold heated flax for more than any of his good flax last year...

                            FN crazy.

                            Meanwhile some on here talk about a years deferred at low prices and tells guys to live within their means.
                            Lol. 3 years of flax equates too….one year of income most likely! Are those guys 35 years old, or 65 years old? Just when do you think I sold my inventory?

                            Kind of expected…you have been beating the handout drum for a while as well.

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                              #89
                              Originally posted by flea beetle View Post
                              Lol. 3 years of flax equates too….one year of income most likely! Are those guys 35 years old, or 65 years old? Just when do you think I sold my inventory?

                              Kind of expected…you have been beating the handout drum for a while as well.
                              The US farmer has been given billions....your farm competes with the treasury of the US government.

                              While your statements are noble ...look at the facts.

                              Our grain prices are set in the US.

                              Your farm is shorted many dollars on that fact alone.

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                                #90
                                So flea beatle won the lottery and missed all the daggers. Good for him.
                                I didn't start with a functional economy of scale. Farmed through twenty years of shit and low prices. Paid off my Dad's mortgage six months before he died. Paid for two houses I don't live in and just dodged my siblings taking it all 4 years ago. I will have children, handicapped or otherwise who will need support for years to come.
                                I have never had a savings account. It was called extra principal payment. I have used bale string for zip ties and in spring 06 fixed truck tail lights thinking it would bring more at the farm auction.
                                I will have a modest yet comfortable retirement because my parents didn't.

                                Crap on the barn wall subsidies no one wants. Recognition and level playing field we all do.

                                The comments on this thread clearly illustrate why that's impossible.
                                Our lobby groups do nothing but giggle at each other while playing hide the soap. And we quibble like prima donna trannies.
                                Last edited by blackpowder; Oct 1, 2021, 09:10.

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