AgriStability could be a game changer for 2021 – Don’t smash your screen!

[Hamloc]

The preselling of product and the resulting contract shortages are top of list of priorities for SARM, APAS, and SASKEVERYTHING ( flax, pulses, wheat, barley, canola etc) and ignoring everyone else.

And then there is a guy that brags about having a year deferred income at half price because he knew a drought was coming and can now go three years without a hiccup.

The sad part is eventually a couple bad years come along. Some people won't admit previous generations received handouts , some can realize the help they are getting because they are a self made farm.

We have really phucked up representation on the farm groups but things happening now might finally wake them up.

It just depends how long they want to ignore the real issues so they don't lose the opportunity to buy out the neighbour before it hits home hard.

Its really an example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Next year with a third of the herd gone and logistics for corn from the states, not much chance of a market for feed barley.

Cant grow durum on lentil stubble sprayed with residual chemicals.

Canola, with the current condition at worse moisture shape than 2020 at this time, is risky.

Glyphosate at 12.5 a liter , fertilizer at the moon.

There are just alot of issues being ignored.

Taxpayers were expected to spend half a trillion to keep people from losing everything....western Canada needs 10 billion from having the same thing happen. Everyone ignores the issues facing western canadian farmers.

Bucket there is no doubt that the last 5 years of weather has created a lot of hardship.

The biggest problem with Agristability is that it is not a bankable program. If you are a MNP client maybe it is but for the majority it is of very little benefit.

Yes the federal government spent countless billions during the pandemic that I would argue wasn’t needed. I am not sure how you target government assistance to those that need it. Is it the government’s job to help bail out the farmer that pre-sold 40 bushels of barley per acre and only produced 15? There are certain areas that need far more help than others but within those areas there will be farms that got a rain and others that didn’t!

And yes price and availability of inputs will be a huge issue. Glyphosate and fertilizer basically doubling is hard to fathom!

[flea beetle]

Renting 2/3s of your land base and not owning the 1/3 you bought is along ways from financially stable. I wouldn’t be buying any iron or houses either in that position. Renting land is a disaster waiting to happen. Your lucky 1/3 is your parents. I don’t think your in the position to be giving advise. Sometimes the wolf at the door has the same last name, then your working the next 30 years for lil sisters fancy new house in the city. No matter how good of operator/money manager you are Mother Nature will always be the boss. Stay humble, and be thankful for what u have, and stop looking down on others u have no clue how fast things can change.

I wasn’t looking down on his situation. I was sick of listening to “we need a handout”.

So you don’t think that he could have saved a small amount every year like $10,000 and had at least $300,000 in a “just in case” account? Isn’t that more responsible than doing nothing, and expecting a bail out?

And believe me. I know how fast things change in this game. Why do you think I have been saving? Deferring ahead, pre-buying inputs, saving accounts, buying stocks?

If I cashed in my stocks and savings, and quit pre-buying inputs, I could pay for half of the land. And would still have almost a years worth of income deferred ahead. So don’t worry about me.

[bucket]

Bucket there is no doubt that the last 5 years of weather has created a lot of hardship.

The biggest problem with Agristability is that it is not a bankable program. If you are a MNP client maybe it is but for the majority it is of very little benefit.

Yes the federal government spent countless billions during the pandemic that I would argue wasn’t needed. I am not sure how you target government assistance to those that need it. Is it the government’s job to help bail out the farmer that pre-sold 40 bushels of barley per acre and only produced 15? There are certain areas that need far more help than others but within those areas there will be farms that got a rain and others that didn’t!

And yes price and availability of inputs will be a huge issue. Glyphosate and fertilizer basically doubling is hard to fathom!

The lobby effort for contract shortages is just fn stupid...if they help in one form or another then all farmers should get help.


There are articles of guys being out 100s of thousands....if they get help on that ....then where is everyone else's 100,000 for the farm ? They have a short crop as well just didn't sign any contracts this spring.

Sadly this lobby effort writes an IOU to the graincos for every farmer.

[flea beetle]

I know guy that is getting more for his heated flax and canola than what alot of contract shortage guys signed their predicted production contracts for this past spring.

He said he was within pennies of the new crop spot canola price last week.

And he sold heated flax for more than any of his good flax last year...

FN crazy.

Meanwhile some on here talk about a years deferred at low prices and tells guys to live within their means.

Lol. 3 years of flax equates too….one year of income most likely! Are those guys 35 years old, or 65 years old? Just when do you think I sold my inventory?

Kind of expected…you have been beating the handout drum for a while as well.

[bucket]

Lol. 3 years of flax equates too….one year of income most likely! Are those guys 35 years old, or 65 years old? Just when do you think I sold my inventory?

Kind of expected…you have been beating the handout drum for a while as well.

The US farmer has been given billions....your farm competes with the treasury of the US government.

While your statements are noble ...look at the facts.

Our grain prices are set in the US.

Your farm is shorted many dollars on that fact alone.

[blackpowder]

So flea beatle won the lottery and missed all the daggers. Good for him.
I didn't start with a functional economy of scale. Farmed through twenty years of shit and low prices. Paid off my Dad's mortgage six months before he died. Paid for two houses I don't live in and just dodged my siblings taking it all 4 years ago. I will have children, handicapped or otherwise who will need support for years to come.
I have never had a savings account. It was called extra principal payment. I have used bale string for zip ties and in spring 06 fixed truck tail lights thinking it would bring more at the farm auction.
I will have a modest yet comfortable retirement because my parents didn't.

Crap on the barn wall subsidies no one wants. Recognition and level playing field we all do.

The comments on this thread clearly illustrate why that's impossible.
Our lobby groups do nothing but giggle at each other while playing hide the soap. And we quibble like prima donna trannies.

[flea beetle]

The US farmer has been given billions....your farm competes with the treasury of the US government.

While your statements are noble ...look at the facts.

Our grain prices are set in the US.

Your farm is shorted many dollars on that fact alone.

Whatever…I will take the money if it comes I guess. Wouldn’t want to miss out on the government dole, while everyone else is getting it.

Got chastised by training wheel for putting money into agri-invest. While I don’t like that it is a handout, i fall behind everyone else if I don’t take it…so I guess I begrudgingly take it. Even though all it does is raise costs in the end.

I guess it at least gets people to think about saving for the future…until they have enough to buy a pickup/tractor in the account.

[flea beetle]

The US farmer has been given billions....your farm competes with the treasury of the US government.

While your statements are noble ...look at the facts.

Our grain prices are set in the US.

Your farm is shorted many dollars on that fact alone.

And what has all those handouts gained them other than $10,000/acre land to buy, and $200+/acre rents?

So pricing in Canadian vs american $ deserves a handout, or a change to the system?

[foragefarmer]

Renting 2/3s of your land base and not owning the 1/3 you bought is along ways from financially stable. I wouldn’t be buying any iron or houses either in that position. Renting land is a disaster waiting to happen. Your lucky 1/3 is your parents. I don’t think your in the position to be giving advise. Sometimes the wolf at the door has the same last name, then your working the next 30 years for lil sisters fancy new house in the city. No matter how good of operator/money manager you are Mother Nature will always be the boss. Stay humble, and be thankful for what u have, and stop looking down on others u have no clue how fast things can change.

Great post! Humility is a virtue especially when others are down.

If your business and farming is going as planned with no major hiccups, it's always best to keep your mouth shut no matter how hard it is.

In most cases where an individual has hardship they are so stressed about everything, all they are wanting is a release and someone just to listen with empathy. I personally believe there are farmers out here that have done nothing wrong with how they managed their farms, Mother nature has the final say.

Karma is never to far away when it comes to farming.

[blackpowder]

The bright side of this conversation is that Chuck won't chime in lol.

[flea beetle]

Great post! Humility is a virtue especially when others are down.

If your business and farming is going as planned with no major hiccups, it's always best to keep your mouth shut no matter how hard it is.

In most cases where an individual has hardship they are so stressed about everything, all they are wanting is a release and someone just to listen with empathy. I personally believe there are farmers out here that have done nothing wrong with how they managed their farms, Mother nature has the final say.

Karma is never to far away when it comes to farming.

Sorry for not wanting money for nothing? Was that the right response?

[jazz]

I think flea was chastised pretty hard for holding inventory and not incorporating. Now he is going to destroy the market by exercising some pretty good patience. Shouldnt be demonized for that. Thats another level of financial management that very few are doing.

I now have neighbors thinking of storing for the first time with prices double and triple hoping for more upside. I think thats risky in current environment.