Thought this deserved its own thread , like the combining one

[WiltonRanch]

Trudeau certainly dropped the ball when it came to having a presence on the actual day. But the Liberals pushed hard for the Truth and Reconcilaition day, unlike many of the premiers who didn't want a provincial holiday. Trudeau's record on the first nations file is certainly not great in many ways. He deserves plenty of criticism.

But for many posters on this site they are not very sympathetic to first nations and are not genuinely criticizing Trudeau on the first nations file. Its just another political opportunity to criticize Trudeau and in some cases blame first nations for their own problems.

In one of your recent posts on another thread you tried to make the case that settlers also suffered under colonialism. Yes life on prairie farms was hard but so was life in the old countries where many settlers came from. And a lot of immigrant settlers settled in developed cities.

But we know that first nations lost a lot more and settlers gained a whole lot, including having all the political and economic power while first nations had none.

First nations did not write the Indian Act, nor create the reserves and force themselves onto uneconomic reserves dependent on the federal government. Nor did they create the residential schools that caused generations of first nations serious social and cultural harm, the legacy of which we are still experiencing.

Truth and reconciliation day is about understanding the history of Canada and first nations and acknowledging the harm that we as a nation caused and working together to make the lives of first nations people better.

I agree but still maintain all of us have been screwed by colonialism at some point in the past, and continue to be in some respect by the anachronism of a federal government which we have, the Indian act, disproportionate senate representation, reciprocal powers lying within federal jurisdiction, treaties written in bad faith, a wheat board only applicable to western farmers. I’m trying to get it through to you instead of it being a them and us thing it is instead us white/native pitted against one another by past government bs. We’re all in this together whether we like it or not.

[chuckChuck]

I agree but still maintain all of us have been screwed by colonialism at some point in the past, and continue to be in some respect by the anachronism of a federal government which we have, the Indian act, disproportionate senate representation, reciprocal powers lying within federal jurisdiction, treaties written in bad faith, a wheat board only applicable to western farmers. I’m trying to get it through to you instead of it being a them and us thing it is instead us white/native pitted against one another by past government bs. We’re all in this together whether we like it or not.

Except in your list of grievances there is not agreement amongst everyone on what the problem is and what needs to be done. The difference for first nations is that many of the negative effects of colonialism are still being experienced.

While we may disagree on some points I appreciate you are speaking in favour of truth and reconciliation. It's the only way forward.

It appears as if Canada has made some significant progress on improving the understanding of the history and experience of first nations.

As you say we are all Canadians and in this together. Now we have to find solutions that work.

[chuckChuck]

You think settlers riding a month in the bottom of a boat and then 2 weeks in a steam train and then dropped off on 160 acres of barren wasteland had political and economic power? OMG

First nations did not get the right to vote untill 1960. Prior to that unless they gave up their treaty rights and Indian status they could not vote in elections.

Conservative John Diefenbaker was the prime minster who pushed this legislation through.

"I felt it was so unjust that they didn't have the vote," Diefenbaker said in the The Tenth Decade.

"I brought it about as soon as I could after becoming prime minister."

[WiltonRanch]

Except in your list of grievances there is not agreement amongst everyone on what the problem is and what needs to be done. The difference for first nations is that many of the negative effects of colonialism are still being experienced.

While we may disagree on some points I appreciate you are speaking in favour of truth and reconciliation. It's the only way forward.

It appears as if Canada has made some significant progress on improving the understanding of the history and experience of first nations.

As you say we are all Canadians and in this together. Now we have to find solutions that work.

I think if natives and us non natives realize we’ve been played by the feds and we can get on the same page the better. Problem lies in the system created which has kept natives barely educated and for lack of a better word dumb and ignorant. Think the solution is complex but involves self determination but also at the same time accountability native leadership must adhere to. If there is no accountability you have situations like you do now. I see some young native people who get it and are taking it upon themselves to be good role models to their communities. This needs to encouraged and a bit of recognition goes a long way. Education is the big one. I could give personal examples of how lack of education and no support at home creates ignorance and poor decision making. On the flip side I have seen some intelligent and well skilled youth who never went anywhere because of family and community dynamics pulling them down. Reserves need to be phased out and the whole chief and council control and corruption needs to be stopped. Positive role models and pride and traditions must be encouraged to build pride and a sense of self worth. Education to higher standards on and off reserve should be mandated (easy to say hard to do). Must come from within but not saying it isn’t already happening. As our population demographic changes with immigration I fear sympathy for the native cause will dwindle. Time is now to set things in motion or natives will lose their voice and relevance. The natives themselves need to speak with a unified voice but that is a tall order. I heard some talk from a native saying the government had to address each nation individually. Quite naive in thinking govt addressing them rather than natives addressing the govt. See this dynamic of being kept like mushrooms and divided?

[furrowtickler]

I think if natives and us non natives realize we’ve been played by the feds and we can get on the same page the better. Problem lies in the system created which has kept natives barely educated and for lack of a better word dumb and ignorant. Think the solution is complex but involves self determination but also at the same time accountability native leadership must adhere to. If there is no accountability you have situations like you do now. I see some young native people who get it and are taking it upon themselves to be good role models to their communities. This needs to encouraged and a bit of recognition goes a long way. Education is the big one. I could give personal examples of how lack of education and no support at home creates ignorance and poor decision making. On the flip side I have seen some intelligent and well skilled youth who never went anywhere because of family and community dynamics pulling them down. Reserves need to be phased out and the whole chief and council control and corruption needs to be stopped. Positive role models and pride and traditions must be encouraged to build pride and a sense of self worth. Education to higher standards on and off reserve should be mandated (easy to say hard to do). Must come from within but not saying it isn’t already happening. As our population demographic changes with immigration I fear sympathy for the native cause will dwindle. Time is now to set things in motion or natives will lose their voice and relevance. The natives themselves need to speak with a unified voice but that is a tall order. I heard some talk from a native saying the government had to address each nation individually. Quite naive in thinking govt addressing them rather than natives addressing the govt. See this dynamic of being kept like mushrooms and divided?

Very good post Wilton 👍

[furrowtickler]

And this b/s must stop .... from their own leadership and elders .... time they speak out against this
It’s out of control again ....


Respect is hard to give some who have zero respect for others ... just sayin

[WiltonRanch]

And this b/s must stop .... from their own leadership and elders .... time they speak out against this
It’s out of control again ....


Respect is hard to give some who have zero respect for others ... just sayin

Seen that too. That is the problem with tribal type cultures vs non tribal. From the outside it looks like natives could give two shits about their own causing crime off Rez but they a lot of times are as much victim of it as everyone else. Problem is you’re on the Rez and don’t dare speak for fear of reprisal from these hoods. Not to mention band council is corrupt and in on the crap or too incompetent or self absorbed to deal with it. Like I said before lack of education and common sense from basic life skills learning is absent here of Botha the hoods causing the crap and from the leadership. I always cite the example of local band which was duped by a Kiwi huckster for over a million bucks for investment in the development of this computer program. It was a female councillor who called it out as a scam but the rest being old burned out drunks from years past didn’t have the sense to do some due diligence. It’s no different than having half wits and crooks on town or municipal council. Educate your citizens well enough and hopefully they can make better choices. Same reserve the crooked chief was maybe on his way out until he put it out there he’d put bad medicine on those who wouldn’t vote for him. He summarily won. He’s gone now thank god but that’s why this problem is so complex and solutions not so easy to find but education, creating stability and a sense of self worth is a good starting point. It needs to come from within still.

[Guest]

So correct me if I am wrong but it doesn't sound like most of you support truth and reconciliation anyway.

So why are you disappointed that Trudeau decided to travel with his family on this new national holiday?

So does that mean you are disappointed that all the provinces didn't declare a Truth and Reconciliation day for the provinces?

And what do you think of Kenney's 2 week holiday during the covid crisis in Alberta's hospitals?

What do you think of Trudeau blowing this first special day for natives ?
Why don’t you support the natives on this issue ?
He is snivelling and apologizing like a two year old cause he got caught ?

[furrowtickler]

Or .... “so what your saying is ... “

[chuckChuck]

So it's only first nations people who are committing crime?

What about the reports of missing grain and missing bales, missing farm machinery which aren't on the list of things that are easily sold or used by non farmers.

[chuckChuck]

What do you think of Trudeau blowing this first special day for natives ?
Why don’t you support the natives on this issue ?
He is snivelling and apologizing like a two year old cause he got caught ?

It was a mistake. He apologized. His record on fisrt nations is not great.

But he is a lot better than most Conservative leaders on first nations issues. Left to Conservatives there would have been no federal holiday recognizing truth and reconciliation.

[shortbox]

So it's only first nations people who are committing crime?

What about the reports of missing grain and missing bales, missing farm machinery which aren't on the list of things that are easily sold or used by non farmers.

I mistakenly liked that post but "idle hands are the devil's tools" Too many people have idle hands!