Pfizer/BioNTech antibodies disappear in many by seven months

[oneoff]

Waiting on our own made in Sask results ,COVAC-2 Traditional NON mRNA.

https://panow.com/2021/07/27/vido-va...ovid-19 study/

Or how about Covaxin, also NON mRNA. From India, the same company that made our Polio Vax.

Here are key facts about Covaxin, now fully established:

Covaxin is 93% effective in preventing serious disease.

Compared to other publicly available data it shows the best neutralization titers against variants of concern, Delta and Beta, and even out performs on those measures compared with people previously infected with the original COVID-19 strain.

It has an unsurpassed safety profile. With nearly 7,000,000 patients dosed to date, there is no evidence of the rare side effects or complications associated with other vaccines, including facial paralysis, blood clots and heart inflammation.

In the phase 3 study, in addition to showing no sign of serious adverse events, neither did Covaxin make it’s recipients feel sick or miss work after being dosed. More specifically, Covaxin’s adverse events were NO GREATER THAN the placebo group.

Covaxin is the easiest vaccine for transport and storage. It is ideal for stockpiling, with up to three months stability at room temperature and a two-year shelf-life. As such, Covaxin can solve much of the accessibility and waste issues associated with the attempts at distribution of the existing vaccines, particularly in the developing world.

For all of these reasons, Covaxin is the best Covid vaccine we can’t (yet) get.

https://www.americanbazaaronline.com...nt-get-446210/

What do others think?

Oh I think this is designed as a change of tune now being pushed as a distraction by those who wouldn't wear a mask and wouldn't take a supposedly similar Oxford Zeneca vaccine in the last 9 months.

A seemingly endless supply of lots of useful idiots.

Look at the actual real present situation and take credit for your failure to be any part of a way out of this predicament.
Keep it up you brain washed fools
...because your past behavior shows you surely will.

[oneoff]

Geez oneoff, dont fall off your clown unicycle trying to back pedal for big pharma. LOL

If there is anything beyond obtuse, thats you.

Most of Canadas shots were given in the spring. I calculate the decline in immunity has most of the vaxxed in the country sitting at about oh 40% efficacy, heading to zero before xmas.

Hey but dont take my word for it. Here is your CDC saying the very same. Puhlease lets hear you refute the CDCs own spokesperson.

And then just what efficacy is left for all the people who have recovered from their first round of infection. You think anyone can't get a repeat infection...particularly from a slightly different more infectious variant.

The good news is that the 5 to 12 year olds will most likely soon be able to get vaccine protection.
This will help reduce spread by this group who through absolutely no fault of their own have been caught with little ability to help contain this disease.

[burnt]

And then just what efficacy is left for all the people who have recovered from their first round of infection. You think anyone can't get a repeat infection...particularly from a slightly different more infectious variant....

Well, "oneoff", to directly answer your question, this doctor made some very relevant info available:

Now answer the question that you have been hiding from, "oneoff".

You really should quit weaseling out of it.

Or you may choose to remain a hypocrite.

[chuckChuck]

Jazz for sure and some of the antivaxers have probably received the vaccine but they continue to argue against it for various uninformed illogical reasons. Some are also still waiting for proof the earth is round.

There really isn't much point in trying to change their minds. But its interesting to watch them stick both their feet in their mouths repeatedly. Its a bit of insight in how obsessive fanatics think.

[Hamloc]

Normally I avoid Covid threads but I read 2 interesting articles that made me pause and think. First:”Opinion-What Alberta’s Covid numbers tell us about the deficiencies of Canada’s health system.” in the Washington Post. Then this: “Tragedy in Rural Alberta, A courageous Doctor speaks out.” On peckford42,Wordpress.com.

I will add one comment, it has always baffled me that up to this point that no treatment protocol appears to have been developed to treat those severely affected with the virus!

[GDR]

I will add one comment, it has always baffled me that up to this point that no treatment protocol appears to have been developed to treat those severely affected with the virus!

I read an interesting story from an ICU doctor. I agree would be nice to treat the virus but antivirals generally don't work well. What he said was by the time a patient makes it to ICU they pretty well no longer have covid. They are treating the damage that covid has done to the lungs, and the lung damage causes heart issues because it now has to work harder to push blood through the lungs. Sounds mostly like there isnt much they can do other than help them breathe and hope the body can repair itself.

[jensend]

Does this mean I'm not going to die from the vaxx?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Does this mean I'm not going to die from the vaxx?

The news is even better than that. Statistically, not only will you not die from the vaccine, but even after the vaccine efficacy has worn off, you still won't die of covid.

Having solved this, now can we move on to marketing?

[chuckChuck]

The news is even better than that. Statistically, not only will you not die from the vaccine, but even after the vaccine efficacy has worn off, you still won't die of covid.

Having solved this, now can we move on to marketing?

"you still won't die of covid" Huh?

So the people who have died from covid whats your explanation? 28,000 so far in Canada. 700,000 USA, 4.5 million worldwide.

Its not just about covid deaths its about the impact on the economy and healthcare service.

Covid has also had an impact on agriculture, including marketing.

And you are vaccinated? Correct?

[dmlfarmer]

Before anyone takes Jazz's "revelation" and conclusion about disappearing antibodies seriously, consider the following:

Antibodies do not have eternal life. Like all cells, antibodies die.

Antibody cells are only created following an infection so if you do not get infected, antibody numbers will decrease over time

Antibody cells may still be present, just not at a measurable level if there has been no recent infection

Besides creating antibody cells, memory cells are also created by an infection or vaccination so if that same infection strikes later, there are cells in the body which will recognize the infection and instruct the body to make new antibody cells.

There are at least 4 lines of defence, besides antibodies which the body creates following an infection or vaccination including Imog cells, t cells etc, so a low number of antibody cells does not mean the vaccine did not work or you have no protection.

Some vaccinations result in very few antibody cells being found in the body over time, like MUMPS yet you are still protected from mumps if you were vaccinated for it.

Most interesting, Forbes reports a number of studies have found a significant number of people who have actually had Covid didn't develop antibodies. In the Journal Emerging Infections Diseases, a study reported 36% of those who had Covid did not have antibodies to SARS-COV-2 in their blood after the infection.
EClinical Medicine found 5% of people in Israel did not develop antibodies after contracting covid. The journal of infectious Diseases reported 20% of New Yorkers who had covid did not develop antibodies. Journal of Clinical Virology had a German study where 85% of Covid recoverees did not have measureable antibodies. So if you are relying on getting Covid to give you immunity and base immunity on antibodies you might want to reconsider your decision.

To claim that disappearing antibodies means vaccines don't work ranks up there with other Jazz predictions like Covid would disappear after the US election, that there would be no more deaths from Covid, and he would quit posting if Covid was still in the news on January 1, 2021.