John Deere X9

[jazz]

Is it just me or do most think the investment in these machines is insane? What will the return have to be to justify the investment.

I am with you. The thought of a million dollar combine actually depresses me. Dont care how many bells and whistles and chips they stuff into them.

But I will happily take a used S series combine if they are coming in.

[Herc]

Is it just me or do most think the investment in these machines is insane? What will the return have to be to justify the investment.

Alot of farms are still trying to lower the taxes on their 2020 crop. Even if they sold canola for $15 average, north of us had 60-65 bpa averages. Some did wait and will be $18-20 avg. Alot of profit occurred from 2020 and alot of deferred grain happened. 2021 may have been a wreck but still have to lower the tax bill somehow.

[agstar77]

My only guess is we are still mesmerized by shiny new toys with memories from when we little and had a ride on the big machine. The drive to ever bigger does not seem to have stopped. This will not end well if conditions don't improve. There may be X 9s on the lot next fall.

[Sheepwheat]

I can combine the value of my combine in about four hours in 8 dollar barley.

How many hours to combine a million bucks of barley, even with the whopping four dollar an acre fuel savings?

I wager more than four hours. But what do I know. Lol Boggles the mind that farmers need “help” but I don’t know many any more without hoes, cats, etc. burning piles of fuel changing the whole aquifer recharge system by draining forty acre sloughs.

I dunno, just ticked off these days.

[Partners]

Someone has to buy new so that there is used..
If you can afford it buy it.
As we get older if you can afford or want it buy it.
Fun to watch neighbors with new stuff..
Only so many yrs all of us have in this game.
And yrs are flying by..
Enjoy before its to late..
We all have different wants and needs.

[Sheepwheat]

Someone has to buy new so that there is used..
If you can afford it buy it.
As we get older if you can afford or want it buy it.
Fun to watch neighbors with new stuff..
Only so many yrs all of us have in this game.
And yrs are flying by..
Enjoy before its to late..
We all have different wants and needs.

I would argue we all have the exact same needs. But very, very different wants.

I would like my well to remain bored deep enough to access an aquifer that has not failed for 100 years.

They want a few more acres of land, to go along with the other eight thousand they have to have.

If my well fails, it’s a big deal. I guess if theirs fails, nothing a half million from the bank won’t fix.

[bucket]

Someone has to buy new so that there is used..

So true.

Thats why when SHTF like this year , an adhoc payment is so effective. Money moves quickly to the economy and better trades become available.

My thinking is , if the government can buy a new Electric Arc furnace for both Dofasco and Algoma, sending a few bucks out so farmers can upgrade equipment and help others that need it, it is good for the economy out here as a whole.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I can combine the value of my combine in about four hours in 8 dollar barley.

How many hours to combine a million bucks of barley, even with the whopping four dollar an acre fuel savings?

I wager more than four hours. But what do I know. Lol Boggles the mind that farmers need “help” but I don’t know many any more without hoes, cats, etc. burning piles of fuel changing the whole aquifer recharge system by draining forty acre sloughs.

I dunno, just ticked off these days.

A few years ago when one of my 8460's plugged so tight in green wet cold tough straight cut canola, and I set it on fire to burn it out( successfully), I justified the risk of getting it back going for another hopper full by the fact that one hopper of canola at that time was worth almost as much as I'd paid for the combine. Same thing when combining in the snow, frost, mud, rocks, roots etc.

Have two combines worth considerably more now, and I miss that frame of mind that it really doesn't matter how much abuse they get because they are worthless to start with.

[furrowtickler]

I would argue we all have the exact same needs. But very, very different wants.

I would like my well to remain bored deep enough to access an aquifer that has not failed for 100 years.

They want a few more acres of land, to go along with the other eight thousand they have to have.

If my well fails, it’s a big deal. I guess if theirs fails, nothing a half million from the bank won’t fix.

Maybe its a thing in your area , but no one here drains big sloughs , seasonal wet spots get worked up but that’s about it .
Every area is much different.

[blackpowder]

$/ac and $/hr. Those are the only two #s. That and time risk, ac/machine.
If your operation justifies x13s i could care less. If you get done with a fleet of 760s good for you.
My Dad used to say, " we'll all be eating Christmas Dinner the same day."
Never go back to Class 8s here.

[SASKFARMER]

I agree it’s all about cost per acre.

X9s will work for us but the 50 ft header is 45 ft here.

[Sheepwheat]

Maybe its a thing in your area , but no one here drains big sloughs , seasonal wet spots get worked up but that’s about it .
Every area is much different.

Used to be like that here too. With the advent of I dunno, the new generation it looks like to me, who justify a track hom and a cat to rip out an acre of treelines and a few acres of sloughs.

That was just the start, as they found out they can completely reform the entire landscape, and make it look like swift current, ( no offence to swift current), it has gone completely out of all control. When the wind blows unimpeded, the rains fail in a well watered land that no longer holds water, and when you can’t spray because of no shelter for forty seven miles, maybe they will see what they are doing?

When the wells fail, the creeks don’t run, and the trees are all gone, maybe they’ll be happy?

The thing is, I’m no greenpeacer. But I do know a bit about the water cycle and the natural filtration and recharge system that has worked so well bar the wet decade in this area. Draining forty acre sloughs is going too far.

Even small bands of trees around ancient cemeteries just have to go. Just a few grave markers now, sitting facing east, they don’t even have shelter in their death.

Society has gotten so sick, so attached to money only. It’s all about the dollar.

And it makes me physically ill.

[furrowtickler]

Used to be like that here too. With the advent of I dunno, the new generation it looks like to me, who justify a track hom and a cat to rip out an acre of treelines and a few acres of sloughs.

That was just the start, as they found out they can completely reform the entire landscape, and make it look like swift current, ( no offence to swift current), it has gone completely out of all control. When the wind blows unimpeded, the rains fail in a well watered land that no longer holds water, and when you can’t spray because of no shelter for forty seven miles, maybe they will see what they are doing?

When the wells fail, the creeks don’t run, and the trees are all gone, maybe they’ll be happy?

The thing is, I’m no greenpeacer. But I do know a bit about the water cycle and the natural filtration and recharge system that has worked so well bar the wet decade in this area. Draining forty acre sloughs is going too far.

Even small bands of trees around ancient cemeteries just have to go. Just a few grave markers now, sitting facing east, they don’t even have shelter in their death.

Society has gotten so sick, so attached to money only. It’s all about the dollar.

And it makes me physically ill.

I hear ya and agree , see it on a few large farms here too
But it represents a very small percentage of farms in this area .
What I find strange is how the elevators make you sign that environmental agreement or you can’t deliver LOL. Well , the biggest bush pushers , water drainers are still hauling in their driveway constantly.
Meanwhile the rest of us are not we can’t do this , can’t do that according to that agreement that everyone “must” sign to haul grain
So I will reclaim a few seasonal wet areas that are dry 50% of the time , and alway dry by mid summer
If I can get a big chunk of production from those areas in dry years , we do it . Until ducks unlimited wants to pay up big for seasonal potholes they can go to hell cause I have a family to feed and put through university all on my own with zero help from anyone .
I grow crops , like you grow sheep , any little advantage like a new market for your animals or bringing back highly productive land should never be discouraged.

[furrowtickler]

That and land prices have skyrocketed so we need to make use of every acre we can while still protecting the big natural year round sloughs and wetlands . They are very important as you say , everyone knows that . And yes it is unfortunate that some are taking out actual wetlands . Seasonal potholes are not even remotely in that category

[furrowtickler]

Anyway, this thread is about the X9 comparisons , let’s save the fall work for a different thread lol