Referendum

[Sodbuster]

[/QUOTE]

This statement says it all.

[jazz]

— believe the system treats all provinces fairly.
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Like asking a crack head if he opposes free drugs but deep down he knows he shouldnt be taking them.

[Hamloc]

All the referendum results proved was the incompetence of Kenney and UPC government and its abdication of leadership.

On the binding daylights saving vote, a 50/50 split means half of the voters will be unhappy no matter what. Not a pretty picture for candidates to face in next election. Furthermore, the referendum only gave voters 2 options to chose from, the status quo and year round daylight savings time. So voters in favor of year round standard time were excluded from even expressing their opinion. So much for giving all voters a choice.

The equalization question is even more damaging for the government. Despite heavy and misleading pressure by the government for a yes vote, early results show only 60% in favor of the question. Given that only about 1/3 of the eligible voters cast a ballot in the election, there is not the overwhelming response for ending equalization that the government had hoped for and Kenney will be laughed out of provincial/federal leadership meetings if he tries to claim ending equalization is the will of Albertans based on the referendum question.

The only early result speculation I have seen is Edmonton and Calgary at just under 60% support, Medicine Hat I believe was 70%. Never heard anything from the rural municipalities. It will be interesting, higher than I expected with how unpopular Kenney is at the moment.

One thing I am still curious about Dml, I make no secret that I live in Alberta yet for some reason you still won’t tell us what part of Canada you live in. Why is that?!

[oneoff]

Will be interesting to see what the final results are!

We all have individual responsibilities to be positive people… but the financial stability of our western civilization, further the Woke moral hard left denial of King Jesus and Biblical standards… replacing them at our core with evolution and climate change as the moral standards we teach our children: leads to the ungodly ungrateful ungovernability of humanity.

We can return to our heritage of biblical standards… but does anyone seriously believe that is a turn western civilization will take?

God have mercy. We are truly going to need God’s miracles of mercy and forgiveness to reverse the destiny of our civilization. The denial of God’s existence is to doom humanity. In the end as the biblical text states; the end of our age will be our responsibility and choice. The knowledge of good and evil has consequences… the choice of our destination; ( greed and selfishness) our own as a civilization.

Cheers

By your own admission... society is not about to solve the "ungovernable" problem with religion alone. In fact "not about to happen"

In fact; offering religious and belief help as a solution is only a distraction to finding a solution which (again by only sometimes your own admission) that the worldly masses are in charge of their own destiny. Is that not the basis of "religion belief" whilst temporarily inhabiting our current space.
I'd advise sticking to where the solutions are most likely to be found; like science reason and dedication to thoughtful possible worldly application of the most reasonable possibilities of at least temporary courses of following the high roads.

[TOM4CWB]

By your own admission... society is not about to solve the "ungovernable" problem with religion alone. In fact "not about to happen"

In fact; offering religious and belief help as a solution is only a distraction to finding a solution which (again by only sometimes your own admission) that the worldly masses are in charge of their own destiny. Is that not the basis of "religion belief" whilst temporarily inhabiting our current space.
I'd advise sticking to where the solutions are most likely to be found; like science reason and dedication to thoughtful possible worldly application of the most reasonable possibilities of at least temporary courses of following the high roads.

Amazon, Apple, Gates, Tesla/Musk, Google, Facebook, Bitcoin, Birkshire H, Biden, EU ECB, US Fed, IMF, UN... dont see any of the global leaders with the wisdom to change our economic systems, other than to be driven by control brokers like China, Iran, N Korea, India... Japan story 'Inflate our way out of inflation' flavour of the decade... Pandemic cemented 'quantitative easing' to 'cook the books'...

Not convinced in any way that any of these 'leaders' are any where near following the 'High Road'!!!

Sorry to confuse the issues at play now with a dose of reality Oneoff...

Looks like the Biblical 'one world order' led by the Anti-Christ leader [led by evolution, climate change, China, and a woke [sleepy hypnotized] US and EU] ... is civilization's 'high road' solution... difficult to believe any other outcome now!

Cheers! No lack of excitement!!

[TASFarms]

Amazon, Apple, Gates, Tesla/Musk, Google, Facebook, Bitcoin, Birkshire H, Biden, EU ECB, US Fed, IMF, UN...

Cheers! No lack of excitement!!

Vanguard own stock in all of the above

[burnt]

This makes a lot of sense and should really help:

Quebec government announces permanent ban on oil and gas exploitation and exploration

https://westphaliantimes.com/quebec-government-announces-permanent-ban-on-oil-and-gas-exploitation/

[chuckChuck]

The federal equalization program is not well understood. Its not a province to province transfer program.

It's a federal program paid for by federal tax dollars collected at the same tax rate in every province.

The program is designed to ensure poorer provinces without the vast oil and and gas reserves that Alberta enjoys and ability to collect a large amount of provincial taxes (fiscal capacity), can deliver a similar level of health care and social programs across this great country.

Albertans happen to pay a lot of federal tax because their incomes are higher per capita than many other provinces primarily because of the lucrative oil and gas industry.

Albertans aren't smarter nor do they work harder than anyone else, contrary to what some Albertans like to believe. they are just a bit richer because they won the oil and gas geology lottery.

Could the equalization program be improved? Probably. Harper and Kenney had a chance, but didn't do much.

Alberta is the recipient of its fair share of federal transfers for health and social programs.

But the equalization program will never satisfy the Albertans who want to live in a low or no tax state and can't stand the idea that federal tax dollars are redistributed to poorer provinces with a smaller fiscal capacity to raise revenue from provincial taxes.

[sumdumguy]

It’s designed to suck the life outta the West, that’s why special exemptions for Quebec. No it’s not fair nor is it equitable.

[chuckChuck]

It’s designed to suck the life outta the West, that’s why special exemptions for Quebec. No it’s not fair nor is it equitable.

Here is an exchange on Twitter between Trevor Tombe and economist at the U of C who studies Equalization and Dan McTeaugue

Dan McTeague
@GasPriceWizard
· Oct 14
Revenues from Hydro Quebec are not included as govt revenues whereas Ontario Hydro 1 and OPG are. That’s why Quebec is able to show a revenue shortfall that Ontario cannot twitter.com/alexj28833702/…

Trevor Tombe
@trevortombe
This is a very common but entirely false claim. Hydro Quebec revenues are included. 2019/20, for example, included $2.2b from Hydro QC + $800m from water power rentals.

As the referendum approaches, it will be increasingly important to get information from reputable sources.

Trevor Tombe
@trevortombe
·
Oct 15
Replying to
@trevortombe
The level of misunderstanding around this program is staggering -- and unfortunately it also seems to be inversely related to the intensity of view about it.
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[jazz]

BS chuck, save your cbc cut and paste research. The formula is gamed and everyone knows it. 600B transferred to one province. AB pays for hydro dams, maritimes EI and quebec daycare. And a lot more.

People of AB have spoken, its their province let them run with it.

Cant believe Lougheed didnt torpedo this thing back when he had a chance.

[Guest]

Here is an exchange on Twitter between Trevor Tombe and economist at the U of C who studies Equalization and Dan McTeaugue

Dan McTeague
@GasPriceWizard
· Oct 14
Revenues from Hydro Quebec are not included as govt revenues whereas Ontario Hydro 1 and OPG are. That’s why Quebec is able to show a revenue shortfall that Ontario cannot twitter.com/alexj28833702/…

Trevor Tombe
@trevortombe
This is a very common but entirely false claim. Hydro Quebec revenues are included. 2019/20, for example, included $2.2b from Hydro QC + $800m from water power rentals.

As the referendum approaches, it will be increasingly important to get information from reputable sources.

Trevor Tombe
@trevortombe
·
Oct 15
Replying to
@trevortombe
The level of misunderstanding around this program is staggering -- and unfortunately it also seems to be inversely related to the intensity of view about it.
Reply With Quote

Well let’s see Chuck ?
ONE province collects every year since inception ?? To the tune of 51% or $221B
No , can’t be anything going on there ?? Really ?
FMG , no wonder you swallow so much shit