Referendum

[furrowtickler]

Or like the 2019 Alberta election where the UPC won 72% of the seats with only 54.88% of the vote. First past the post benefits both left and right parties.

And I don't think you do get my point which is Kenney demand for change gets weaker every time he is caught inflating the results.

What were the numbers on the last Federal election for the liberals before you continue to throw stones at this Alberta referendum vote ?

[furrowtickler]

Or like the 2019 Alberta election where the UPC won 72% of the seats with only 54.88% of the vote. First past the post benefits both left and right parties.

And I don't think you do get my point which is Kenney demand for change gets weaker every time he is caught inflating the results.

I don’t really care about Kenny, I don’t live in Alberta but you bring up a good point , Liberals are governing this country with less than 20% of the populations approval ? I could be wrong

Yet that was considered fully legit and we still have Peter Pan running this country into the ground and about to get worse

[furrowtickler]

Kenney's referendum will go no where. It's just more politics to take the attention off his dismal record and ratings.

The referendum results were predictable considering the fact most people don't understand how the federal program works. Case in point. How many times do you see comments on Agrisilly that Alberta has to stop paying equalization to Quebec? There is no such program of payments from Alberta to Quebec. Nor is it true that Quebec's hydro resources are not included in the equalization formulae.

The last prime minister to change the equalization formula was Steve Harper and Kenney was in the cabinet! They tweaked it a little. If Kenney thought they could negotiate a better deal for Alberta that was their best opportunity.

So if the program was fundamentally flawed then as it is now, why didn't they advocate getting rid of it?

When the rest of the country looks at the fact that Alberta is a way better off than them with higher per capita incomes and a higher fiscal capacity primarily because of their luck at sitting on large oil and gas reserves, it's hard to argue that Alberta is put at a disadvantage. Especially as oil prices surge and consumers will be transferring a lot of their wealth to oil companies in Alberta. The timing to cry wolf about equalization couldn't be worse for Kenney.

Sure Alberta contributes a lot of federal taxes to a federal program. But the reality is Alberta has a lot of advantages and pays a lot of taxes because of their high per capita income advantage.

Is there not several private hydro dams in Quebec?
Are they included ? Just curious

[wade]

Does Quebec have some exemptions that other provinces don't have in the equalization formula?

Doesn't it seem that if they won't allow a natural resource pipeline then they shouldn't take money from
the sale of that natural resource?

Another natural resource opportunity lost- Windmills and thermal collection in front of all political parties HQ's

[Hamloc]

Or like the 2019 Alberta election where the UPC won 72% of the seats with only 54.88% of the vote. First past the post benefits both left and right parties.

And I don't think you do get my point which is Kenney demand for change gets weaker every time he is caught inflating the results.

In the last federal election somewhere around 18% of eligible voters voted for Justin Trudeau, in the equalization referendum roughly 23% of eligible voters voted yes to have equalization removed from the constitution? Which one is more legitimate?

[jazz]

Does Quebec have some exemptions that other provinces don't have in the equalization formula?

They dont really but they game the hydro revenues by subsidizing it and then setting artificial prices and then delivering more govt services to the people, which keeps incomes low.

If AB decided to become more socialist it too could game the formula with higher taxation.

But AB relies heavily on investment to run its economy, so raising rates would have the opposite effect of luring capital here. Quebec doesnt care about capital, nobody invests there.

[furrowtickler]

They dont really but they game the hydro revenues by subsidizing it and then setting artificial prices and then delivering more govt services to the people, which keeps incomes low.

If AB decided to become more socialist it too could game the formula with higher taxation.

But AB relies heavily on investment to run its economy, so raising rates would have the opposite effect of luring capital here. Quebec doesnt care about capital, nobody invests there.

They have the great SNC Lavalin there ...


Trustworthy outstanding company

[the big wheel]

They dont really but they game the hydro revenues by subsidizing it and then setting artificial prices and then delivering more govt services to the people, which keeps incomes low.

If AB decided to become more socialist it too could game the formula with higher taxation.

But AB relies heavily on investment to run its economy, so raising rates would have the opposite effect of luring capital here. Quebec doesnt care about capital, nobody invests there.

They’re just smarter than our politicians out west. So
Many ways they could have gotten money back including
The drought
But they’d rather have the politics of being
Screwed on their side to keep the extremists
On side.

[jazz]

They’re just smarter than our politicians out west. So

Canadians are too broke and stupid to invest in their own industries, so AB needs outside capital, usually from the US. Thats why our major companies trade on the NYSE.

Without it our patch would look like Venezuela. Probably going to be that way eventually if Ab doesnt find some fight in its belly real fast.

[furrowtickler]

The west has to take a stance , this can not continue I don’t care how anyone tries to justify it ...


How anyone living in western Canada can’t see that this is so flawed is beyond comprehension

Good on Alberta for at least taking a stand .

[dmlfarmer]

Does Quebec have some exemptions that other provinces don't have in the equalization formula?

Doesn't it seem that if they won't allow a natural resource pipeline then they shouldn't take money from
the sale of that natural resource?

Another natural resource opportunity lost- Windmills and thermal collection in front of all political parties HQ's

Equalization funding does not come from the sale of natural resources. Nor is it funded by the provinces. It comes from general revenue generated by federal income taxes levied at exactly the same rate regardless of where taxpayers live in Canada. So trying to tie equalization funding to pipeline development is again simply playing politics. Resource income has generated higher incomes therefore residents in Alberta, as a group, have paid more money into equalization. But they have also enjoyed more services, and lower taxes because of those higher incomes.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Or like the 2019 Alberta election where the UPC won 72% of the seats with only 54.88% of the vote. First past the post benefits both left and right parties.

And I don't think you do get my point which is Kenney demand for change gets weaker every time he is caught inflating the results.

Unless you can prove that statistically, the broader population would have voted differently than those who were motivated to go out and vote, then these pointless arguments about the percent who turned out are irrelevant.

Although, it certainly is disappointing that turn out was still this low when we were finally given a chance to send a message to the ROC. The fact that such a small percentage of people are informed enough to make the effort to show up and vote on the referendum is the truly depressing part.

I never vote, because my riding, both provincially and federally is about the safest conservative riding in the country, but I did vote in this municipal election, specifically because of the referendum.

And no, I am not in favour of mandatory voting, such as they have in Australia. Forcing the uninformed or ignorant to vote aganst their will just makes it worse.

I would support informed voting, where voters are asked to simple skill testing questions about the policies of the candidate they just voted for. If they get them wrong, their voted is nullified.

[chuckChuck]

The west has to take a stance , this can not continue I don’t care how anyone tries to justify it ...


How anyone living in western Canada can’t see that this is so flawed is beyond comprehension

Good on Alberta for at least taking a stand .

Alberta has been receiving federal transfers for ever. But those transfer are not in the graphic?

Alberta has generated far more GDP from natural resources per capita than any other province and has benefited greatly from resource revenue.

But they don't want to pay their fair share of federal taxes. They're special.

It sucks to be richest province per capita and have to pay federal taxes at the same rate as every other Canadian.

[jazz]

The national playbook has been set for the next 2 yrs.

Kenny has his mandate and will legitimize it in the legislature shortly. It will be ignored and ridiculed by eastern Canada, and will become a pivot point for Alberta to be treated as those people who are anti Canadian. Like antivaxxers or some shit. CBC will be all over it.

Thats what the next election will be fought on, meanwhile radical ESG retard Guilbeault and former Sask NDP flameout refugee Wilkinson will be going all in on Western canada, not just oil, but ag as well, mining, everything. Quebec and maritimes will be spared all regulation.

Alberta will have its pension plan ace in the hole to play yet. And then we are off to constitutional crisis and hopefully permanent split.

https://www.prairiepost.com/alberta/free-alberta-strategy-group-including-med-hat-mla-calls-on-premier-to-make-alberta-a/article_ec06e75a-2085-11ec-b108-d32ede70be0d.html

[Guest]

The national playbook has been set for the next 2 yrs.

Kenny has his mandate and will legitimize it in the legislature shortly. It will be ignored and ridiculed by eastern Canada, and will become a pivot point for Alberta to be treated as those people who are anti Canadian. Like antivaxxers or some shit. CBC will be all over it.

Thats what the next election will be fought on, meanwhile radical ESG retard Guilbeault and former Sask NDP flameout refugee Wilkinson will be going all in on Western canada, not just oil, but ag as well, mining, everything. Quebec and maritimes will be spared all regulation.

Alberta will have its pension plan ace in the hole to play yet. And then we are off to constitutional crisis and hopefully permanent split.

https://www.prairiepost.com/alberta/free-alberta-strategy-group-including-med-hat-mla-calls-on-premier-to-make-alberta-a/article_ec06e75a-2085-11ec-b108-d32ede70be0d.html

not with that chicken shit kenney