Ev vehicles sask

[AlbertaFarmer5]

come on now !
thats a little deep for the likes of chuck
guys like him are so used to getting everything subsidized under the guise of clean energy they have lost sight of the big picture

But in credit to chuck, we had puddles in the depth of the drought this summer that were too deep for Chuck.

[fjlip]

On the hi-way past my place super B's ev's and horse and buggy's go past every day but still all use hi-way made from stone and oil, lots of oil !

SO....how do we make highways with GREEN sh it?

[Old Cowzilla]

SO....how do we make highways with GREEN sh it?

Horse and buggy guys leave a trail of brown sh it usually

[STR1]

So there a $150 tax when you buy new Ev in Sask. Which in my option should be 1500. But anyways,this morning on 650 some environmental company will pay the tax for ya! How nice!

I think you are referring to the $150 per year SGI surcharge, that is charged to replace the road tax we pay at the pump? It’s on SGI website.

[WiltonRanch]

Not here to pan or praise ev’s. I don’t know enough about them nor give a rats arse until I see something which would be of some use to me. Otherwise, there most definitely needs to be a road tax on them to pay for the roads they use. Plain and simple. To think the ev crowd is any more special than the ice crowd they don’t need to pay their part is absurd. Going forward I think there will be other unintended consequences present themselves as more ev’s come on the road. Lol. Power grid in this province is bloody antiquated enough as it is I really fear for the future, a cold dark future, as coal plants are shuttered.

[burnt]

A short, stark synopsis on the utter idiocy of thinking that EVs and batteries are going to propel us forward.

It relates the insurmountable restraints of inefficiency of storage, logistics, infrastructure and of EVs, and more.

"Put simply: infrastructural engineering capability to provide for electric cars and electric heating by 2050 is a massive and probably unachievable ambition. To attempt to accelerate it, to 2030, is madness. The rest of the world can look at Britain and choose whether to laugh or weep. One thing it shouldn’t do is emulate us."

https://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2020/03/18/electric_motors_versus_internal_combustion_engines_486956.amp.html

[Hamloc]

Good article in the Financial Post which addresses the loss of fuel taxes going towards road maintenance on electric vehicles. “Peter Shawn Taylor: What comes after the gas tax?” Undoubtedly at some point a fee per kilometre driven will be necessary how that is monitored and charged will be the only issues.

[Old Cowzilla]

I think we will be putting a radioactive chip in the mother board of our 1/2 tons before we solve this battery problem we just are not ready to admit it yet.

[chuckChuck]

With help from Tesla, nearly 80% of Norway's new car sales are electric

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-pushes-norways-ev-sales-new-record-2021-10-01/

OSLO, Oct 1 (Reuters) - (This Oct. 1 story corrects spelling of name in 12th paragraph)

Demand for Tesla Inc's (TSLA.O) mid-sized models helped push up electric car sales in Norway to nearly 80% of total car sales last month, data showed on Friday.

The country has been a global leader in switching to electric vehicles and seeks to become the first to end the sale of petrol and diesel engines by 2025.

Battery electric vehicles made up 77.5% of all new cars in September, the Norwegian Road Federation (OFV) said, up from 61.5% a year ago.

Tesla Model Y, a compact sports utility vehicle, was the top selling vehicle with 19.8% of the car market followed by the company's Model 3 sedan with 12.3%. Skoda's Enyaq was a distant third at 4.4%.

First unveiled by California-based Tesla in March 2019, the Model Y was only recently made available to European customers.

By exempting fully electric vehicles from taxes imposed on those relying on fossil fuels, oil-producing Norway has become a leader in ending the use of combustion engines, and in 2020 EVs outsold all other cars for the first time. read more

However, Norway's zero-tax policy could change if the centre-left winners of last month's national election go ahead with plans to tax the most expensive models.

LUXURY TAX

The next government is expected to be headed by Labour's Jonas Gahr Stoere, and will be made up of parties which have vowed to introduce 25% VAT on the fraction of the price tag of a new car that exceeds 600,000 Norwegian crowns ($69,300).

While Tesla's Model Y, costing less than the tax threshold, may be unaffected, the company's high-end S and X models are priced at up to 1.3 million crowns and could face substantial levies. Porsche, Audi and Mercedes-Benz would also be affected.

Labour says the tax will bring in extra cash to state coffers and is motivated by a sense of fairness.

The tax exemption for electric car purchases was meant as a way to introduce new technology, and can't last indefinitely, said Svein Roald Hansen, a Labour tax policy spokesman.

"It is a subsidy. And... the more expensive the car is, the bigger the subsidy," he said.

"We have in the last couple of years received a lot of new models... there is plenty to choose from for those who still want to buy a car while there is a VAT exemption," Hansen added.

A tax on electric luxury vehicles would be ill-timed and ultimately slow Norway's electrification, said Christina Bu who heads the Norwegian EV Association, an interest group.

Even in the northernmost part of the country with freezing temperatures in winter and reindeer roaming the streets, electric car sales have recently been outselling those powered by petrol, diesel and hybrid engines, Bu said.

"Now finally the more rural areas are starting to buy more electric cars and it's not the time now to remove the tax exemption because we need to also get these areas with higher market shares," she added.

($1 = 8.6543 Norwegian crowns)
Reporting by Victoria Klesty, editing by Terje Solsvik and Susan Fenton

[chuckChuck]

Chuck, try a mathematical exercise. Take it to the extreme that your leaders are mandating. At 100% EV's ( as they are promoting, including heavy trucking), and therefore no gas taxes collected anywhere, where does the funding come from for road maintenance and construction?

Do EV's not need snow plowed off, or sanding? Do they not wear the pavement out, or pack the gravel on gravel roads? Will nature stop heaving and cracking our roads if we all drive EV's? Will we never need to build a new road or upgrade an intersection if we all drive EV's?

Or do you expect to exponentially increase the fuel taxes on the remaining ICE vehicles, until the last person to be driving an ICE vehicle ends up shouldering the entire burden of maintaining our entire infrastructure all by themselves. Then what happens when the last ICE is driven off the road due to the astronomical cost, will it be OK to tax the EV's then?

So governments will never figure out how to replace the fuel tax that is used to maintain and build roads with another tax that will accomplish the same thing? This is not an insurmountable problem is it?

"According to the province, throughout the government's 2019-20 fiscal year, road-use fuel tax revenues totalled almost $454 million. However, road maintenance expenditures totalled nearly $616 million."

So as you see Saskatchewan already uses other sources of revenue to fund road maintenance.

EVs cost more than regular fuel vehicles, and buyers pay the standard 6% PST on a new vehicle. This means that new EV owners pay more PST on their vehicles than other new owners of regular fuel vehicles.

"Meanwhile, the province says it will continue to examine the future potential for expanding the EV tax to commercial vehicles and inter-jurisdictional trucking."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/sask-government-to-roll-out-150-tax-for-passenger-electric-vehicles-1.5977554

Sask. government to roll out $150 annual tax for passenger electric vehicles

Jim Farney, director of the the Johnson Shoyama Graduate School of Public Policy at the University of Regina, says the provincial government's decision to roll out the EV tax is a political "coin toss."

"The imagery on that is probably not great. But there's a policy argument that you might as well make that change before there's many electric cars around," Farney said.

Regina Mayor Sandra Masters said the province's new EV tax is the opposite direction of where Regina is aiming to go environmentally.

"I think we have another infrastructure problem as it relates to powering. If everybody switched to electric vehicles ... powering those electric vehicles ... there's implications on the on the grid itself. And that's going to need to be funded," Masters said.

"And so it does seem to be difficult in terms of taxing where we're trying to go. But at the same time, where we're trying to go is going to be a massive investment required. And so it needs to be paid for."