Ev vehicles sask

[jazz]

Dont ever have to worry about electric vehicles making any sort of dent in auto sales.

Unless you have drivers who want to spend $100k to drive their car twice a week.

Everyone with half a brain knows that electricity generation in Canada would have to triple. Thats probably two dozen new hydro dams. LOL.

And the streets would need to be plowed up to upgrade service to every household in Canada. Looking at literally trillions of dollars. And last I checked, Canada was broke.

[WiltonRanch]

Until they can build a battery which doesn’t lose close to half its charge from cold weather, upgrade the power grid while mothballing present coal generation and add capacity while also adopting electric heating for buildings then maybe ev’s will overtake ice. Not panning ev’s they have potential but as I said before it’s unintended consequences and mundane problems which blow the wheels off of new tech. Soviets built electric tractors and in Soviet fashion back in the 30’s or 40’s. Look it up for a good laugh. I still think you’ll see a large adoption of ev’s in the cities as that is where they make the most sense. The tech needs to become affordable and reliable for the masses. Everyone uses Norway as a comparison to Canada. Sure it can be cold there but there is this thing called the Gulf Stream which does give them a more temperate climate than the more continental weather we enjoy in the middle of Canada and Russia. Besides, a country of 6 million people with a power infrastructure second to none afforded by a properly run nationalized oil company positioned logistically to sell the oil into a premium market. Nationalization was an abject failure here because of incompetent socialists and this problem with geography which Russia shares as well. The armchair quarterbacks can draw all the comparisons to Western Europe they want but there are so many differences it’s foolish. Now compared to Russia maybe more so.

[jazz]

WR, nationalization works in Norway because they invest heavily in the resource and share its bounty with all citizens. They dont demonize it or restrict it or make it political. Every Norwegian is educated in the way the country keeps it lifestyle and how it pays for it.

In the last Canadian election, there were people on the streets of Toronto who didnt know where Alberta was or that Canada was the 4th largest oil producer in the world or that oil was our number one export contributing $200B to our GDP.

Nationalization failed here because the east wanted the goodies flowing to their voting base while restricting its development to block political clout moving out of the TOM corridor. It was a naked power, resource and money grab. Nothing more.

Very different models.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Comparisons with Norway are irrelevant when you consider that over 93% of Norway's electricity comes from hydro and they have no intentions of sabotaging their affordable reliable power grid by replacing it with wind and solar.
Much easier to export fossil fuels than electricity so why not use the almost unlimited and cheapest possible source of electricity to power automobiles, and conserve or export the fossil fuels.

And even better yet, thanks to the lunacy in Germany etc. Norway gets paid handsomely to act as their energy storage. They get paid to take the excess from Germany when the wind blows, and then they get paid again to sell it back to them when the wind doesn't blow. All that can be used to make energy even cheaper yet for the Norwegians.

[WiltonRanch]

Comparisons with Norway are irrelevant when you consider that over 93% of Norway's electricity comes from hydro and they have no intentions of sabotaging their affordable reliable power grid by replacing it with wind and solar.
Much easier to export fossil fuels than electricity so why not use the almost unlimited and cheapest possible source of electricity to power automobiles, and conserve or export the fossil fuels.

And even better yet, thanks to the lunacy in Germany etc. Norway gets paid handsomely to act as their energy storage. They get paid to take the excess from Germany when the wind blows, and then they get paid again to sell it back to them when the wind doesn't blow. All that can be used to make energy even cheaper yet for the Norwegians.

One our friends from Denmark told us Norwegians don’t pay for their electricity. Like you said all hydro power. I’d imagine they pay for electricity but nothing like the rest of Europe. Taxation is quite high but I think they get more bang for their buck. Oil revenues help.

[blackpowder]

Yawn.....stretch....
I see you guys are still at it.
Here's one for the biggest ahole and fool on here.
It will be years before we have reliable true high speed internet access in 99% of this country. And you're expecting electricity generation, storage, and transmission to be everywhere in 10 years.
I suspect away from the microphone most people are smarter than that. If not they fully deserve what they get.

[jazz]

I suspect away from the microphone most people are smarter than that. If not they fully deserve what they get.

BP dont underestimate the stupidity of govts and the electorate. Germany is a prime example. Shut down their nukes, shunned FF, spent trillions on wind and solar and then went to Mr Putin to be saved. Now facing shortages and skyrocketing prices.

And they just voted in an even farther left Marxist govt who wants to go harder on climate change.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Yawn.....stretch....
I see you guys are still at it.
Here's one for the biggest ahole and fool on here.

Look on the bright side, at least he's not lecturing us about covid anymore. In fact he seems to be the only one who is following the rules, no big surprise there.

[chuckChuck]

60% of Canada's electricity is from hydro with a population 6 times larger than Norway. Quebec and Manitoba have a large surplus of hydro at a lower cost than the rest of Canada.

Our 25 kw solar system will easily cover an EV along with most of our farm needs.

Most trips within cities are relatively short well suited to EVs.

"Commuting is a fact of life for many Canadians. In 2016, 12.6 million Canadians reported that they commuted to work by car. For these commuters, the average duration of the commute was 24 minutes, and the median distance to work among those who had a usual workplace was 8.7 kilometres."

Many EV owners say cost of ownership and operation is lower, even with the increased cost, because fuel and maintenance costs are lower.

When cars first become available did everyone give up their horses and drive a model A? I don't think so because they were too expensive and required gasoline instead of hay and oats. The transition took a awhile.

Lots of $50,000 - 80,000 dollar pickups running around, so I don't think the cost is as prohibitive as some would think. And it will come down as adoption goes up.

On a trip to town today, just saw several that left their engines running while in the store. I guess the price of diesel and gas isn't high enough yet, cause some clueless people who own pickups haven't figured out they can shut them off when they are not driving!

Did they not get the memo that prolonged idling is not good for engines or the pocketbook. I bet some of the people who leave their engines running will also be complaining about how expensive fuel is. LOL

[WiltonRanch]

BP dont underestimate the stupidity of govts and the electorate. Germany is a prime example. Shut down their nukes, shunned FF, spent trillions on wind and solar and then went to Mr Putin to be saved. Now facing shortages and skyrocketing prices.

And they just voted in an even farther left Marxist govt who wants to go harder on climate change.

Temperate climates like that in Western Europe have difficulty making alternatives make economic sense then how does it make sense in cold climates? I fear we are in for the same pain out here in the boonies because we simply cannot exist without burning something to keep warm or move things. I’m sitting here looking at a power pole in the yard which was placed here in 1955. Every time sask power comes here my dad questions the guys about changing the bloody thing and they say it’s still good and if it breaks off they’ll maybe replace it. The grid is so antiquated we are lucky to have enough power service to keep water bowls, dads house, and the welder and air compressor running let alone aeration fans going without blowing a breaker. Not to mention poor cell service let alone decent wireless internet. If any of these eco schemes are to come to fruition fix the basic mundane things in the infrastructure before you go taxing it with more demand.