What can be done about the gouging.

[woodland]

Must be nice to have paid for land...

I owe, I owe, so off to work I go…………

The cows gotta eat and don’t give a hoot about viruses, floods, fires, strikes, supply chain issues, or anything else. When they’s not happy ain’t nobody happy.

P.S. Same goes for the bank…………..😎

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I owe, I owe, so off to work I go…………

The cows gotta eat and don’t give a hoot about viruses, floods, fires, strikes, supply chain issues, or anything else. When they’s not happy ain’t nobody happy.

P.S. Same goes for the bank…………..😎

What are you talking about? You mean you can't just summer fallow your cows for a year?
Just wait until prices and weather conditions improve and then start feeding them and calving them again.
Not only does the average city dweller not have a clue I get the impression that most farmers who don't have livestock often don't get it either.
I'm quite certain that our elected officials don't get it judging by the programs available to grain farmers and almost nothing workable for livestock even though the consequences are so much more serious

[furrowtickler]

Why is everyone so certain that input suppliers are gouging us?
They are all facing increased raw product costs, transportation costs, energy costs, labor costs, regulation, risks and uncertainties, plus supply chain constraints and shortages.
Yet myself as a farmer, I have doubled the prices of my products this year, yet my costs to grow the 2021 crop certainly didn't double, maybe the farmer is the one doing the gouging? Admittedly, 2022 will be a different story.
And what about the hay farmers with good crops in my local area, prices are up by two or three times, yet their costs barely changed from last year.

I guess I don't go through life assuming that someone else is out to get me at every turn.

It’s all relative , if one had good crops , it’s a relatively easy scenario as you say .

30-40 bus canola pays bills this year , 10 or less does not , then next years inputs become the nightmare scenario . It’s all in perspective I guess

[AlbertaFarmer5]

It’s all relative , if one had good crops , it’s a relatively easy scenario as you say .

30-40 bus canola pays bills this year , 10 or less does not , then next years inputs become the nightmare scenario . It’s all in perspective I guess

I get that. Your cost for unit of production went up drastically this year. Mine went down. Yet I am still selling my product for the same high price that you are. I think that makes me more guilty of price gouging then the chemical or fertilizer or fuel suppliers doesn't it?
At last I checked there was no such thing as taxpayer subsidized production insurance for the input suppliers.
I'm sure that if the shoe was on the other foot, I would have a different perspective.
And we have certainly spent enough time on the other side of the equation between hail and frosts and floods. Business as usual out here on the fridge and budget accordingly.
I spent much of the previous boom years looking in from the outside, thanks to excess rain and hail.

[furrowtickler]

I get that. Your cost for unit of production went up drastically this year. Mine went down. Yet I am still selling my product for the same high price that you are. I think that makes me more guilty of price gouging then the chemical or fertilizer or fuel suppliers doesn't it?
At last I checked there was no such thing as taxpayer subsidized production insurance for the input suppliers.
I'm sure that if the shoe was on the other foot, I would have a different perspective.
And we have certainly spent enough time on the other side of the equation between hail and frosts and floods. Business as usual out here on the fridge and budget accordingly.
I spent much of the previous boom years looking in from the outside, thanks to excess rain and hail.

Absolutely yup 👍

Some of us never really seen much of the boom years contrary to popular belief . Did ok , but never in history has anyone seen this situation with this high prices and inputs at the same time . Even 2000-2002 and the frost wipe out of 2004 , all relative costs were 2-4x less and supply of inputs was really no issue so it was workable for most

For a lot here and east , 10-15 bus /ac at ave $13-14 don’t pay for much even before this price run up on both side of the equation

[tubs]

What are you talking about? You mean you can't just summer fallow your cows for a year?
Just wait until prices and weather conditions improve and then start feeding them and calving them again.
Not only does the average city dweller not have a clue I get the impression that most farmers who don't have livestock often don't get it either.
I'm quite certain that our elected officials don't get it judging by the programs available to grain farmers and almost nothing workable for livestock even though the consequences are so much more serious

What program for grainfarmers?

[Grahamp]

Why is everyone so certain that input suppliers are gouging us?
They are all facing increased raw product costs, transportation costs, energy costs, labor costs, regulation, risks and uncertainties, plus supply chain constraints and shortages.
Yet myself as a farmer, I have doubled the prices of my products this year, yet my costs to grow the 2021 crop certainly didn't double, maybe the farmer is the one doing the gouging? Admittedly, 2022 will be a different story.
And what about the hay farmers with good crops in my local area, prices are up by two or three times, yet their costs barely changed from last year.

I guess I don't go through life assuming that someone else is out to get me at every turn.

I guess in my original post is was the Liberty specifically, the powers that be instructed reps to tell farmers no price increase. Make sure all the returns are made then hit us with the 27% increase. Just left a sour taste in my mouth. You are probably not wrong generally though, the wave of inflation that is sweeping and I believe will continue to sweep the world is going to be very uncomfortable.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

What program for grainfarmers?

Compare crop insurance versus what is available for cattle/livestock, pasture and hay. And compare the consequences of a crop failure to a grain farmer versus a livestock farmer

[bobofthenorth]

I guess in my original post is was the Liberty specifically, the powers that be instructed reps to tell farmers no price increase. Make sure all the returns are made then hit us with the 27% increase..

I can't remember which of the alphabet soup of names they were operating under so I'll say it was Agrevo BICBW. Regardless of what they called themselves at the time that's exactly what they did the fall they recalled all the Harvest, poured it into new bottles and redelivered it in the spring as Liberty. At 3X the price. They're all *****s.

[tubs]

Compare crop insurance versus what is available for cattle/livestock, pasture and hay. And compare the consequences of a crop failure to a grain farmer versus a livestock farmer

where i farm you can not afford crop insurance never pays