Dutch precision edge

[Taiga]

Jazz - are you incorporating your broadcast or just following with the drill?

[flea beetle]

Sorry, didn’t mean to complicate your decision, it is a topic I have thought a lot about.

Don't be sorry at all. I have been flopping back and forth between the two for a year now. Seems there aren't a lot of opinions on the precision edge though. Must not be many guys running them yet?

Lots of 1870 deere drills here. But wanting to stay 10" or narrower for cereals. One drill that caught my eye is the Case 900/New Holland 2075 with CNH's side band opener on 10" spacing? But for some reason resale on them seems very poor. Is there something I am missing?

[flea beetle]

All different situations of course.
The excellent value in select used drills sometimes leads to a compromise.
Current NH 2060 has 4" rubber packers.
Came with worn Dutch low draft closed bottoms. Did not like in 2020.
Replaced with 4" AJ paired row liquid.
Liquid stays neatly in that 1/16" groove. Seed stays in rows against trench wall. Openers stay in ground. Bounce off rocks very well. Less speed sensitive. Better canola placement definitely although I do have trouble regulating my air somewhat, giving a little spread and bounce away from trench wall. Less dirt throw by far. Decreased trash flow ability though. For me a lot better than low drafts. Less draft than any stealth style by far I'm led to believe although haven't personally used.
Definitely keeping them.

So even though the AJ paired row looks very similar to dutch, they are considerably better on seed placement?

Does the 2060 follow the ground better than a 2050? Each section is independent of each other?

[Taiga]

I think resale is poor just because it isn’t a BG or other top 3 drill brands. I think you either buy for value on your dollar or pay more and buy for future resale.
I use the atom jet side band and am satisfied, no rock damage and I have plenty.

[shtferbrains]

https://www.agriville.com/threads/35802-Any-advice-on-air-drill-openers

[AlbertaFarmer5]

You had me interested in the precision edge. I use the precision double shoot paired row, and it causes a lot of disturbance, really affecting the integrity of the supposed seed shelf.
But I see the edge is only available for liquid or NH3. I use all granular. So this isn't an option.

Are there options out there that would achieve the same placement as what I have, without tearing the seed bed apart so much?

This is in grey wooded clay, which back when we did tillage made lumps the size of basketballs, which aren't idea for seeding canola.

The other issue is that I almost always seed into mud, and it sticks to the openers making them cut an even bigger channel. Has anyone used the dutch openers designed for mud?

[flea beetle]

You had me interested in the precision edge. I use the precision double shoot paired row, and it causes a lot of disturbance, really affecting the integrity of the supposed seed shelf.
But I see the edge is only available for liquid or NH3. I use all granular. So this isn't an option.

Are there options out there that would achieve the same placement as what I have, without tearing the seed bed apart so much?

This is in grey wooded clay, which back when we did tillage made lumps the size of basketballs, which aren't idea for seeding canola.

The other issue is that I almost always seed into mud, and it sticks to the openers making them cut an even bigger channel. Has anyone used the dutch openers designed for mud?

I think they make a dry fert version as well. Instead of the liquid tube in front of the shank, they put a dry fert tube behind the seed tube. I run all dry as well.

[Guest]

We were using a Dutch 3.5 inch spread tip putting all our fertility down with the seed using ESN.

It takes big HP to pull that when seeding 2 inch deep in wet gumbo.

But it had a draw back. When wet pulls up lumps, when dry pulled up lumps too and made for a very uneven seed bed and uneven emergence.

I dont have the budget to replace drill and tractor so we went back to broadcasting and seeding with 3/4 inch bourgalt knives. Much less disturbance.

If you seeded 2” deep in wet gumbo here you’d be reseeding
I really like atom jet
Side band , same plane .have put 350 lbs product with seed never a problem
Very low disturbance
Simple and good for 25000 ac minimum in this dirt

[flea beetle]

If you seeded 2” deep in wet gumbo here you’d be reseeding
I really like atom jet
Side band , same plane .have put 350 lbs product with seed never a problem
Very low disturbance
Simple and good for 25000 ac minimum in this dirt

Is that the regular side band, or the high rate side band you are talking?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I think they make a dry fert version as well. Instead of the liquid tube in front of the shank, they put a dry fert tube behind the seed tube. I run all dry as well.

In that arrangement, what depth is the fertilizer supposed to end up at?

[jazz]

Jazz - are you incorporating your broadcast or just following with the drill?

No incorporation, just run over with the drill.

[flea beetle]

In that arrangement, what depth is the fertilizer supposed to end up at?

Your guess is as good as mine. Not much info out there about them. Granular was a bit of an afterthought it seems.

Download the 2022 catalogue on Dutch’s website and go to page 40-41 to see what it looks like.

If they could make their spur series in a granular, I would look at that one as well, but alas…the search continues!