Alberta Climate Records

[chuckChuck]

Les Henry's article inspired me to do a little more looking at what he said about Fargo's climate.

His contention that the changes have been all good isn't supported by the evidence.

Not only did he ignore 11 months of the year and focused on primarily July he said nothing about increasing moisture loss due to evapotranspiration.

But he also mislead us with his lack of average temperature change during the months that matter. July is not the only month that matters. May, June, July are all important.

Now look at the following average temperature data for Fargo from about 1940 - 2021 for May-July



https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/city/time-series/USW00014914/tavg/3/7/1895-2021?base_prd=true&begbaseyear=1901&endbaseyear=20 00

[Guest]

A5, If you say so.

You seem like you will never change your mind regardless of the science or evidence.

You still stuck on the heat island influence?

You don't think that climate scientists are well aware of the heat island impact and take account of this in their research and analysis?

Here is an explanation

"Scientists have been very careful to ensure that UHI is not influencing the temperature trends. To address this concern, they have compared the data from remote stations (sites that are nowhere near human activity) to more urban sites. Likewise, investigators have also looked at sites across rural and urban China, which has experienced rapid growth in urbanisation over the past 30 years and is therefore very likely to show UHI. The difference between ideal rural sites compared to urban sites in temperature trends has been very small:"

wow , here is a classic example of "the pot calling the kettle black" !!!

[shtferbrains]

Les Henry's article inspired me to do a little more looking at what he said about Fargo's climate.

His contention that the changes have been all good isn't supported by the evidence.

Not only did he ignore 11 months of the year and focused on primarily July he said nothing about increasing moisture loss due to evapotranspiration.

But he also mislead us with his lack of average temperature change during the months that matter. July is not the only month that matters. May, June, July are all important.

Now look at the following average temperature data for Fargo from about 1940 - 2021 for May-July

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https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/city/time-series/USW00014914/tavg/3/7/1895-2021?base_prd=true&begbaseyear=1901&endbaseyear=20 00

Hey Chuck im impressed!
Big step forward for you.

You just took a scientists interpretation of climate records and came to your own conclusion after reviewing the data yourself. Welcome to the club. Many others out there are doing that too.
Big step for you.

Would you do the same if it was reported on the CBC?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Les Henry's article inspired me to do a little more looking at what he said about Fargo's climate.

His contention that the changes have been all good isn't supported by the evidence.

Not only did he ignore 11 months of the year and focused on primarily July he said nothing about increasing moisture loss due to evapotranspiration.

But he also mislead us with his lack of average temperature change during the months that matter. July is not the only month that matters. May, June, July are all important.

Now look at the following average temperature data for Fargo from about 1940 - 2021 for May-July

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https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/city/time-series/USW00014914/tavg/3/7/1895-2021?base_prd=true&begbaseyear=1901&endbaseyear=20 00

Speaking of ignoring evidence, Why does your chart not include the 1930's? Are you aware of a certain famous weather phenomenon that occurred during that decade?

Can you explain why the temperature has been in a declining trend for over 40 years? While CO2 has been increasing faster than ever?

As for the changes being all good, until the shale boom, North Dakota's economy was primarily agriculture. Can you find some charts of corn and wheat yields for ND that would disprove the statement that the changes have been all good. How much have corn yeilds and acres suitable for corn declined over this same time period?

[furrowtickler]

Things that make you go hmmmmm ...
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-al-gores-latest-solution-climate-change-mass-surveillance

[chuckChuck]

Speaking of ignoring evidence, Why does your chart not include the 1930's? Are you aware of a certain famous weather phenomenon that occurred during that decade?



As for the changes being all good, until the shale boom, North Dakota's economy was primarily agriculture. Can you find some charts of corn and wheat yields for ND that would disprove the statement that the changes have been all good. How much have corn yeilds and acres suitable for corn declined over this same time period?

Check out the NOAA web site and you can take a detailed look at climate across the USA in a lot of detail. I am not sure why the site has only records for Fargo going back to the early 1940s. That would be a question for NOAA. Climate is measured in 30 year segments. 1940 - 2021 is 2.6 - 30 year periods.

"Can you explain why the temperature has been in a declining trend for over 40 years? While CO2 has been increasing faster than ever?" Huh?

Where is the evidence that temperatures have been declining? It certainly doesnt show up on the Alberta Climate Records or in the data from NOAA.

Is climate the only driver of increases in yields? Nope. Genetics and farming practices are the primary driver of increased yields.

[chuckChuck]

So A5 where is this declining temperature trend in the continental US that you speak of? Take a look at the map from NOAA.

https://www.noaa.gov/news/new-us-climate-normals-are-here-what-do-they-tell-us-about-climate-change

The new U.S. Climate Normals are here. What do they tell us about climate change?

A warmer normal

The U.S. Climate Normals collection has 10 versions: 1901-1930, 1911-1940 and so on through 1991-2020. In the image below, we’ve compared the U.S. annual average temperature during each Normals period to the 20th-century average (1901-2000). The influence of long-term global warming is obvious: The earliest map in the series has the most widespread and darkest blues, and the most recent map has the most widespread and darkest reds.

[shtferbrains]

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Is climate the only driver of increases in yields? Nope. Genetics and farming practices are the primary driver of increased yields.

Have to agree with you there Chuck. Yields have been rising the last 20 yrs. Pretty much forever actualy. Not the 30's of course but they did make some big changes in farming practices to adapt fot that one.

[Hamloc]

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Is climate the only driver of increases in yields? Nope. Genetics and farming practices are the primary driver of increased yields.

Have to agree with you there Chuck. Yields have been rising the last 20 yrs. Pretty much forever actualy. Not the 30's of course but they did make some big changes in farming practices to adapt fot that one.

I am curious I thought climate change proponents are always predicting reduced yields and food shortages? Yesterday’s USDA Wasde report has U.S. farmers producing the second biggest corn crop ever and the second biggest soybean crop ever. Hmmm this doesn’t point to a food shortage. While Canada’s production was down in the U.S. it was up.

[furrowtickler]

So A5 where is this declining temperature trend in the continental US that you speak of? Take a look at the map from NOAA.

https://www.noaa.gov/news/new-us-climate-normals-are-here-what-do-they-tell-us-about-climate-change

The new U.S. Climate Normals are here. What do they tell us about climate change?

A warmer normal

The U.S. Climate Normals collection has 10 versions: 1901-1930, 1911-1940 and so on through 1991-2020. In the image below, we’ve compared the U.S. annual average temperature during each Normals period to the 20th-century average (1901-2000). The influence of long-term global warming is obvious: The earliest map in the series has the most widespread and darkest blues, and the most recent map has the most widespread and darkest reds.

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Ever hear of the earth’s weakening magnetosphere?
Yes pollution has an effect , but the suns ever changing activity and earths weakening magnetic field is being so overlooked as the main driver of earths climate changes . Slowly the truth is coming out that the carbon blame game is way way over exaggerating the current climate change reality .

[furrowtickler]

a video that most should understand about climate change and its driving forces over time ...

https://youtu.be/8_rb98g0jwU

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So A5 where is this declining temperature trend in the continental US that you speak of? Take a look at the map from NOAA.

https://www.noaa.gov/news/new-us-climate-normals-are-here-what-do-they-tell-us-about-climate-change

The new U.S. Climate Normals are here. What do they tell us about climate change?

A warmer normal

The U.S. Climate Normals collection has 10 versions: 1901-1930, 1911-1940 and so on through 1991-2020. In the image below, we’ve compared the U.S. annual average temperature during each Normals period to the 20th-century average (1901-2000). The influence of long-term global warming is obvious: The earliest map in the series has the most widespread and darkest blues, and the most recent map has the most widespread and darkest reds.

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Why do you resort to these strawman arguments whenever you are losing a debate? Have you ever had this tactic succeed in distracting your opponent?
Where did I make any claims about the continental US?
Out of the blue you started making claims about Fargo ND weather. Not sure why, you made it sound like you were responding to someone or some claim, but I checked back through the thread and you were the first one to mention Fargo, trying to distract from your original losing argument. So I looked at the chart you provided of Fargo. It clearly is in a downtrend in recent decades.

As for the 30 year maps you keep posting. I've asked you this before, and you haven't answered, yet you keep posting these maps again, ignorant what they indicate.

Can you explain why the first few maps indicate a warming trend, then switch to a cooliong trend, then switch back to a warming trend? If rising manmade CO2 is the main factor affecting temperature, then how does steadily increasing CO2 explain the cyclical warming and cooling indicated in your maps?