Fully Vaccinated V2

[biglentil]

Working as planned.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Farmboy44, you seem to be one of the few rational posters here who inhabits the real world Middle ground, seeing through the preposterous conspiracy theories and fake news, but also acknowledging the increasingly obvious limitations of the current control/prevention measures.
So given all of that, what do you see as the path forward?
All of the armchair warriors on here seem to be very proficient at poking holes in the other side's argument, but none seem to be suggesting any constructive solutions.

[farmboy44]

Farmboy44, you seem to be one of the few rational posters here who inhabits the real world Middle ground, seeing through the preposterous conspiracy theories and fake news, but also acknowledging the increasingly obvious limitations of the current control/prevention measures.
So given all of that, what do you see as the path forward?
All of the armchair warriors on here seem to be very proficient at poking holes in the other side's argument, but if you seem to be suggesting any constructive solutions.

Thanks, appreciate that. I think governments need to recognize ICU occupancy is the only thing that matters, cases are almost irrelevant at this point.

It appears a yearly booster shot will be necessary to try to keep fighting. Perhaps it will be with the yearly flu shot many get (and many more dont - by choice)

I’m interested to see how the Merck pill influences things, initial trails decrease hospitalizations by 90%

By the same measure, the more time that passes the more information we will have on any possible vaccine side effects - when you administer 12 or so billion doses of a vaccine your bound to find something that it doesn’t jive with.

Beyond that, I think we need to learn with the virus for a few more years until science catches up to allow us to live truly restriction free. Today my life isn’t really affected in any major way. If I have to wear a mask in town or get a yearly booster shot So be it. Shutdowns have proven to be fairly ineffective, but with mixed successes as well. Seasonal restrictions for a few years might be useful.

[biglentil]

The AP admits that the case of Africa is too significant to ignore, noting the fact that it by and large managed to escape seeing a deep impact by the pandemic, leaving scientists and health experts baffled:

But there is something "mysterious" going on in Africa that is puzzling scientists, said Wafaa El-Sadr, chair of global health at Columbia University. "Africa doesn’t have the vaccines and the resources to fight COVID-19 that they have in Europe and the U.S., but somehow they seem to be doing better," she said.

Fewer than 6% of people in Africa are vaccinated. For months, the WHO has described Africa as "one of the least affected regions in the world" in its weekly pandemic reports.

[farmboy44]

“ I’m interested to see how the Merck pill influences things, initial trails decrease hospitalizations by 90%”

Where have you seen this before???
!

Like vaccinations, it will not be the magic bullet that makes covid go away, it will however help and be another tool to try to turn the table on this. Letting covid run its course unabated is not a risk im willing to take, or one our ICU capacity (much less a country like India or Bangladesh) can handle

[dmlfarmer]

The AP admits that the case of Africa is too significant to ignore, noting the fact that it by and large managed to escape seeing a deep impact by the pandemic, leaving scientists and health experts baffled:

But there is something "mysterious" going on in Africa that is puzzling scientists, said Wafaa El-Sadr, chair of global health at Columbia University. "Africa doesn’t have the vaccines and the resources to fight COVID-19 that they have in Europe and the U.S., but somehow they seem to be doing better," she said.

Fewer than 6% of people in Africa are vaccinated. For months, the WHO has described Africa as "one of the least affected regions in the world" in its weekly pandemic reports.

The availability of vaccines is not the only difference between Africa and the rest of the world. Take a look the rankings of countries for Covid based on deaths/million pop or even cases/million pop and you will find that the countries that are predominately white/European origin populations are the most at risk. So could race/genetics be an influence as it is with a number of diseases like Cystic Fibrosis for example. Covid is most deadly for the oldest and there is a significant difference in life expectancy between African nations and the rest of the world. Comobidities play a role in risk, especially heart health and obesity. We have to see if this could be affecting Covid risk in Africa compared to the rest of the world. And what about lifestyle. Africans tend to spend more time outside at work and home that the first world. Even environmental differences have to be consiidered in risk instead of jumping to the conclusion that the difference is vaccine related.

[burnt]

Thanks, appreciate that. I think governments need to recognize ICU occupancy is the only thing that matters, cases are almost irrelevant at this point.

It appears a yearly booster shot will be necessary to ...

Yearly? With a 3 month booster efficacy?

You are a brave soul!

That you would be willing to go 9 months with a reportedly immune-compromised system playing dodge ball with the Wuhan flu, not to mention the possibility of spawning more variants?

Addendum: And perhaps that game gets pushed to a distant second by the lil issue of increasing your risk of Acute Coronary Syndrome by, oh, well over 200%:

https://www.thecardiologyadvisor.com/home/topics/acs/acute-coronary-syndrome-acs-biomarkers-mrna-covid19-vaccine/

So each of your (minimum) yearly mRNA jab pares how many years off your life expectancy due to cumulative, irreparable heart muscle damage?

Addendum to the addendum: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...181231104.html

[sumdumguy]

Only 6% of Canadians have been stung by the Covid bug.
So really not a big threat.

[farmboy44]

Yearly? With a 3 month booster efficacy?

You are a brave soul!

That you would be willing to go 9 months with a reportedly immune-compromised system playing dodge ball with the Wuhan flu, not to mention the possibility of spawning more variants?

Addendum: And perhaps that game gets pushed to a distant second by the lil issue of increasing your risk of Acute Coronary Syndrome by, oh, well over 200%:

https://www.thecardiologyadvisor.com/home/topics/acs/acute-coronary-syndrome-acs-biomarkers-mrna-covid19-vaccine/

So each of your (minimum) yearly mRNA jab pares how many years off your life expectancy due to cumulative, irreparable heart muscle damage?

Addendum to the addendum: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...181231104.html

No, im willing to take a yearly booster for a few years until the virus subsides due to advancements in medical research, and increased immunity. 3 month efficiency today (debatable) doesn’t mean it will be that way forever.

We don’t know that covid won’t take years off my life either. My decision is that I’d rather live with the risks of the vaccine than those of covid.

[farmboy44]

Only 6% of Canadians have been stung by the Covid bug.
So really not a big threat.

So if only 6% of vaccinated folks have side effects it’s not a big threat either then?