BC floods.

[blackpowder]

What. Are. We. Going. To. Do?

What is in our power.

Move cities.
Tax carbon.
Postulate as a politician.

You’re very idealistic if you thinking preaching politicians are the answer. Go out and do something yourself.

I have other shit to worry about in life than how I can help BC. I have friends in BC, there are a handful of people I can help and support. But an online forum shrieking “Climate Change OMG we need to do something!!” with no actual ideas of what to do. Don’t try and make us on here feel guilty because we aren’t panic posting.

Hear Hear! Blaithin dumbed it down for our resident jack a s s.
Effective communication a learned skill lol.

[TOM4CWB]

Hear Hear! Blaithin dumbed it down for our resident jack a s s.
Effective communication a learned skill lol.

My Granddad worked on flood control in the 50-60s at Abbotsford.

This is no different than Holland and many other fertile places on our planet that provide wonderful opportunities to provide food for a hungry world.

16” in two days is a flood… no matter where it happens… if this happens in the Red River Valley in the spring… before snow melts… Winnipeg would be in more trouble than Sumas Prairie and Abbotsford.

Just like All along the US Gulf Coast… living next to the Ocean has beautiful advantage and higher weather risk… always has had these weather issues always will. This is a fact of history and life on planet earth… not Climate Change CO2 religious beliefs.

What we can mitigate and decrease in greenhouse gasses like Methane and many others… is common sense … as is reasonably attainable “renewable “ fuels, but just like Fossil Fuels… Battery construction minerals like phosphate… are not renewable and are finite. “Carbon Capture” through our ecosystem through nature and natural photo synthesis is easily the answer to the C02 increases…

Electric Vehicles do nothing in the short term to mitigate increases in global temperatures… CC… denial of this fact is your issue not ours!

Cheers

[the big wheel]

Hell we wouldnt want to build any pipelines now would we?

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Well not really if they get washed off a mountain?
If this is whats going to happen more regular
How about inventing portable hydro power
Generation systems move them every time
There is a storm. Of course haul them around
With diesel powered trucks. Every body happy!!!

[chuckChuck]

I wasn't expecting much agreement that we need to plan for more extreme weather events from the climate change deniers on Agrisilly.

Like covid and whole lot of other issues, there are always a group of people who deny there is problem untill its kicks them square in the ass and suddenly they get it. Some still don't, but you can't fix stupid.

If you think none of what happened in BC in 2021 has anything to do with human caused climate change that its all normal and business as usual. Good luck. Because most people will not take you seriously and most residents of BC will be mightily pissed off.

[chuckChuck]

Here is some news from the Vancouver Sun.

https://vancouversun.com/news/insurance-industry-describes-latest-extreme-weather-a-wake-up-call-on-climate-change

Insurance industry describes latest extreme weather as 'wake-up call' on climate change

While B.C. had been relatively spared the effects of previous extreme weather events compared to other provinces and countries, all that changed in 2021.

Kevin Griffin
Publishing date:
Nov 18, 2021 • 1 day ago

The latest extreme weather to hit B.C. is another sign that climate change is a “clear and present danger,” according to the Insurance Bureau of Canada.

Aaron Sutherland , vice-president of the bureau’s Pacific region, said while B.C. had been relatively spared the effects of previous extreme weather events compared to other provinces and countries, all that changed in 2021.

“We opened the year with some severe storms, had the heat dome, really devastating wildfires, and now we’ve had this,” he said referring to the recent rainstorm, flooding and mudslides.

“It should be a real wake-up call that climate change isn’t some future threat. It is a clear and present danger that’s increasingly impacting all of us today.”

On Wednesday, Sutherland the insurance industry declared the recent extreme weather in B.C. a catastrophic event, meaning losses of at least $25 million.

While a final tally will likely take at least a month, he expected them to likely be “much, much more” than that amount.

This year, B.C. had three other similar catastrophic events: The White Rock Lake wildfire in the Thompson-Nicola regional district in July and August resulted in $77 million in claims; the Lytton wildfire in late June, $78 million; and winter storms in January, more than $100 million.

Nationally, average annual cost of property damage or losses due to severe weather has increased from about $400 million before 2009 to about $2 billion annually in the last few years.

The IBC is the national association of the country’s home, business and private auto insurers.

Sutherland agreed that the climate emergency is making for “unexpected bedfellows” where you have the country’s insurance industry association and the environmental group David Suzuki Foundation saying essentially the same thing.

“For insurers, we’re simply following the numbers,” he said. “And the numbers are telling us unless something is done, the amount of money insurers are spending to rebuild homes and businesses following floods, fires and storms is only going to increase unless we get serious about the types of investments we’re making to prevent that type of damage happening in the first place.”

Sutherland also answered general questions homeowners may have about insurance:

Q: What kind of home insurance coverage do most British Columbians have to cover them in case of flooding?

Standard home insurance, he said, typically covers water damage from a burst pipe or a tree breaking through a roof resulting in rain damage.

Water damage from a sewer backing up is a separate, optional policy.

Protection from a riverbank overflowing its banks is provided by separate, optional flood coverage. He said about half of British Columbian homeowners have flood coverage, although that is likely to be much less in areas of high risk.

Q: What homeowners are likely to have flood insurance?

In general, if you live adjacent to a waterway or in a lower-lying area, it may be more difficult to get flood insurance. But even that can vary. If one house, for example, is more elevated than its neighbours, it may be able to get coverage, even if it is closer to a waterway.

Sutherland said it can be complicated because the location and circumstances will have an influence. He said most flood maps in B.C. are from the 1980s and don’t take into account recent climate and topological data.

Q: What kinds of extreme events are covered by standard insurance policies?

Standard home insurance policies provide coverage for fire, wind and hail. Not covered as part of a standard policy are flood and earthquakes, which are optional.

He said there is no insurance available for landslides, which falls under government disaster assistance.

Anyone with questions about insurance should contact their insurance representative. People can also call the Insurance Bureau of Canada at 1-844-2ask-IBC (1-844-227-5422).

kevingriffin@postmedia.com

[jazz]

Bullshite chuck.

BC has a geography problem and tectonics problem, not a climate problem.

[shtferbrains]

BC says the are have gasoline coming up from as far south as California.
Also say they have exceptions made for Canadian truckers to get stuff out going south.
Wonder if they are going to allow SuperB loads.
Have to be bringing in tandems out of California.
On a busy day the could pump that out faster than it went in at a big volume multi pump outlet.
Going to be inaresting to see where price goes in a panic situation.😊

[jazz]

Shouldnt floodplainers pay higher insurance than drylanders?

You want people to move to safer climes, then raise their insurance premiums to the roof. That will have more impact than carbon taxes.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck, do you remember when I was ridiculing you for your hypocrisy about you demanding credible sources from qualified people? And in response, you posted a climate change article by an amateur astronomer?
Well congratulations, you have outdone yourself this time. You posted another climate change article, this author self-describes himself as an arts and dance journalist, blogging about arts, visual culture, dance and bicycling.

And that is where you get your information from, then wonder why we make fun of you when you are wrong about everything.

[chuckChuck]

A5 Thanks for reminding us of your flirtation with astrology when you seemed to take astrology seriously. I guess it was a taste of what we could expect from the libertarian oracle of Alberta.

So the Sun newspaper chain, a former favorite news source of conservatives is no longer a reliable source of news? That would include Post Media's flagship the National Post who have the wind bag Rex Murphy as one of their regular columnists. Well you got that part right.

And the Insurance Bureau of Canada? They are all "left wing" corporate types now who have fallen for the climate change conspiracy?

[chuckChuck]

http://www.ibc.ca/sk/resources/media-centre/media-releases/new-report-shows-urgent-need-for-climate-adaptation-investment

From the Insurance Bureau of Canada

New report shows urgent need for climate adaptation investment

Enhancing local projects to better protect Canadians from the effects of climate change​

September 26, 2019 (OTTAWA) – The Federation of Canadian Municipalities (FCM) and Insurance Bureau of Canada (IBC) today released striking new data demonstrating the urgent need for new investments in local climate adaptation—and the areas where that investment is needed most.

According to the report's findings, avoiding the worst impacts of climate change at the municipal level will cost an estimated $5.3 billion per year shared amongst all three orders of government. Those investments are critical to helping local communities adapt to the changing climate, and to reduce risk from extreme weather.

"Municipalities are on the front lines of climate change and the more frequent extreme weather that threatens people's homes and businesses," said FCM President Bill Karsten. "We're making the most of current tools to build resilient communities, but there's more we can and must do to better protect Canadians from the effects of a changing environment." The report also found that Canada's eastern and northern regions are most in need of adaptation investments—with flooding, erosion and melting permafrost posing the greatest risk. Among infrastructure priorities, local buildings, dikes and roads require the most urgent upgrades.

"Across the country, our communities are feeling the devastating impacts of climate change as the financial and emotional costs continue to rise", said Don Forgeron, President and CEO, Insurance Bureau of Canada. "Canadians expect leadership from all orders of government and that leadership includes increased funding for infrastructure that protects us all from the devastating effects of severe weather."

[checking]

Shouldnt floodplainers pay higher insurance than drylanders?

You want people to move to safer climes, then raise their insurance premiums to the roof. That will have more impact than carbon taxes.

Good thought, but bean counters at insurance companies will have already built that into their model for not going broke.

Amazing, that just when I believe you have no concept of what a risk vs reward analogy is on health, you figure it out on insurance for climate change.

[bucket]

If politicians or organizations would look at the cost of mitigating a flood , they might change their plans as to where some developments are allowed to be built.

Nothing has ever been built to outperform mother nature.

[Hamloc]

A5 Thanks for reminding us of your flirtation with astrology when you seemed to take astrology seriously. I guess it was a taste of what we could expect from the libertarian oracle of Alberta.

So the Sun newspaper chain, a former favorite news source of conservatives is no longer a reliable source of news? That would include Post Media's flagship the National Post who have the wind bag Rex Murphy as one of their regular columnists. Well you got that part right.

And the Insurance Bureau of Canada? They are all "left wing" corporate types now who have fallen for the climate change conspiracy?

Climate as you constantly preach is an averaged trend taken over a long period of time. Yet climate change disciples proclaim the floods in B.C. are due to climate change. So a heavy rain storm is climate change? If it was the blizzard in September 2019 that flattened crops in Alberta, well that is just weather. But when excessive rainfall occurs in B.C. and floods a drained lake bed due to a failed dike well it is climate change absolutely. While I don’t intend to diminish the scope of the damage or the pain and suffering of those involved but do I ever get tired of the constant climate change propaganda. Let’s be realistic as a rule my whole life when it is pouring rain in Vancouver I usually have had the benefit of a chinook in Alberta(didn’t happen this time). The west coast is wet in the winter, always has been.

[chuckChuck]

True no single weather event is proof of climate change.

Climate is usually measured over 30 year periods. And over 30 years their is evidence of significant climate change in many places When you put all the 30 year changes together over the last 90 or 120 years, the changes are even more dramatic.

Along with the natural variability of short term weather, climate change brings increased risk in the intensity and frequency of extreme weather events like what we have seen in BC this year.

Climate change science is indicating that extreme weather events are and will become more common.

That's why the Insurance Bureau of Canada is pointing out the deficit in infrastructure and that municipalities need to invest in infrastructure that can better handle extreme weather events.

On your farm when you see a storm, drought, flood or fire coming, do you prepare for it and do whats needed to protect your livestock and other farm assets or do you just take a chance that it won't be as bad as predicted?