BC floods.

[Blaithin]

What does affordable access to fossil energy sources for heating have to do with building better infrastructure to withstand flooding? Most of the recent increase increase in energy prices have come from supply and demand increases in market prices.

We already have net zero housing technology. Super insulated and efficient housing that requires much less energy to heat a house. Our building codes for energy efficiency are weak.

Who is suggesting moving an entire metropolitan area?

So again, are you suggesting we shouldn't replace our aging and inadequate infrastructure and design the new infrastructure in a way that will with stand the increased frequency and intensity of severe weather events?

Don't you think the residents and farms of the former Sumas lake will need stronger and higher dikes and pumping systems? Or do you think they should do nothing?

Why are you suggesting we don't need to move forward and prepare for the future of growing cities and increasing pressures on our infrastructure?

Who is picking an idea out of the air and implementing it?

Municipalities across Canada are planning for climate change and also emergencies like flooding. They are planning and designing more for extreme events. Its a long and expensive process.

New buildings are always updated. What’s being built now is not the same as what was built 50 years ago. As required the buildings are built for different issues. Like buildings that can withstand earthquakes and hurricanes. I don’t live in those risk zones, or flooding, or even fire, should I have to change my buildings?

I do live in an older home. It’s not that it isnt energy efficient, but it’s definitely only set up for O&G heating. So I am vulnerable to all taxes the government feels are helpful to the situation. I have to pay or I freeze. In a climates change scenario of increased extremes, increased cold is also in there. Why should it be ok to for you to yodel about changing building standards in case of natural disasters that *might* but we can’t say taxing for heating for something that absolutely is happening is silly.

How can one fix a metropolitan area in a delta or a low lying water course? Knock all the buildings down and rebuild from scratch? Cheap option. Implement dikes and pumps? Those are common but they do fail every now and then.

How do you see the world becoming more risk free?

Keep in mind most of the issue here isn’t so much the increased risk, it’s the increased population.

Why are natural disasters so costly? Because every now and then they hit populated areas and critical infrastructure. If this event had gone slightly North and fringed the North of the Cariboo and maybe did some damage to the PR line and Highway 16 but had a much smaller population to impact and less infrastructure, would you be shouting climate change so much? Would it even be in the news like it is?

Location is everything. A grassfire can take out a township and you will barely hear about it. A grassfire takes out a town, you hear about it.

[chuckChuck]

"Keep in mind most of the issue here isn’t so much the increased risk, it’s the increased population." Huh?

Blaithin, it's both increased risk and population increases.

There is lots of evidence that we are at increased risk from extreme weather events and its going to get worse.

2021 is a hell of year to tell BC there is nothing to worry about. Over 500 dead in the heat dome? Massive fires. Massive floods? What more evidence do you need?

Governments at all levels are making plans for adaptation and looking at key infrastructure improvements to deal with climate change.

You give the impression that we don't need to do anything. That it is all normal. Well other than on Agriville hardly anybody would agree with you.

[Blaithin]

"Keep in mind most of the issue here isn’t so much the increased risk, it’s the increased population." Huh?

Blaithin, it's both increased risk and population increases.

There is lots of evidence that we are at increased risk from extreme weather events and its going to get worse.

2021 is a hell of year to tell BC there is nothing to worry about. Over 500 dead in the heat dome? Massive fires. Massive floods? What more evidence do you need?

Governments at all levels are making plans for adaptation and looking at key infrastructure improvements to deal with climate change.

You give the impression that we don't need to do anything. That it is all normal. Well other than on Agriville hardly anybody would agree with you.

What. Are. We. Going. To. Do?

What is in our power.

Move cities.
Tax carbon.
Postulate as a politician.

You’re very idealistic if you thinking preaching politicians are the answer. Go out and do something yourself.

I have other shit to worry about in life than how I can help BC. I have friends in BC, there are a handful of people I can help and support. But an online forum shrieking “Climate Change OMG we need to do something!!” with no actual ideas of what to do. Don’t try and make us on here feel guilty because we aren’t panic posting.

[shtferbrains]

Governments at all levels are making plans for adaptation and looking at key infrastructure improvements to deal with climate change.

You give the impression that we don't need to do anything. That it is all normal. Well other than on Agriville hardly anybody would agree with you.

Chuck IMHO your green reset is dead. It's a zombie you are looking at. It is dead but being carried by the herd. It has been dead since China, Putin, and most of the world made it obvious they have not been participating.
Errol has been predicting a meltdown starting with the markets but what killed it is the money printing presses. Inflation is out of control and getting much worse every day. Even MSM sees that now.
When Treadau says we've got your back he doesn't have any money. He spent it long ago but will print more causing more inflation meaning YOU have less assets.
Most of the cause of inflation is due to sacrificing money to the green gods and paying larger segments of society to sit at home.
You are looking in the rear view mirror if you think government printing presses can continue to support this zombie a large part of the world economy we compete with is not participating.
Look out the windshield to see what is coming like Blathin.

[jazz]

Do people really think this is the first disaster our species has witnessed? We have seen thousands of them, up close and with devastating results, yet people still insist on living on flood plains or coastlines or near volcanoes. Thats not going to change no matter how much climate hysteria you want to inject.

Pick a city to start moving or rebuilding. Then tell me how you will pay for it.

Since the Bay Area and Los Angeles earthquakes 25-30ys ago, 10M more people have moved into those areas.

[blackpowder]

What. Are. We. Going. To. Do?

What is in our power.

Move cities.
Tax carbon.
Postulate as a politician.

You’re very idealistic if you thinking preaching politicians are the answer. Go out and do something yourself.

I have other shit to worry about in life than how I can help BC. I have friends in BC, there are a handful of people I can help and support. But an online forum shrieking “Climate Change OMG we need to do something!!” with no actual ideas of what to do. Don’t try and make us on here feel guilty because we aren’t panic posting.

Hear Hear! Blaithin dumbed it down for our resident jack a s s.
Effective communication a learned skill lol.

[TOM4CWB]

Hear Hear! Blaithin dumbed it down for our resident jack a s s.
Effective communication a learned skill lol.

My Granddad worked on flood control in the 50-60s at Abbotsford.

This is no different than Holland and many other fertile places on our planet that provide wonderful opportunities to provide food for a hungry world.

16” in two days is a flood… no matter where it happens… if this happens in the Red River Valley in the spring… before snow melts… Winnipeg would be in more trouble than Sumas Prairie and Abbotsford.

Just like All along the US Gulf Coast… living next to the Ocean has beautiful advantage and higher weather risk… always has had these weather issues always will. This is a fact of history and life on planet earth… not Climate Change CO2 religious beliefs.

What we can mitigate and decrease in greenhouse gasses like Methane and many others… is common sense … as is reasonably attainable “renewable “ fuels, but just like Fossil Fuels… Battery construction minerals like phosphate… are not renewable and are finite. “Carbon Capture” through our ecosystem through nature and natural photo synthesis is easily the answer to the C02 increases…

Electric Vehicles do nothing in the short term to mitigate increases in global temperatures… CC… denial of this fact is your issue not ours!

Cheers

[the big wheel]

Hell we wouldnt want to build any pipelines now would we?

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Well not really if they get washed off a mountain?
If this is whats going to happen more regular
How about inventing portable hydro power
Generation systems move them every time
There is a storm. Of course haul them around
With diesel powered trucks. Every body happy!!!

[chuckChuck]

I wasn't expecting much agreement that we need to plan for more extreme weather events from the climate change deniers on Agrisilly.

Like covid and whole lot of other issues, there are always a group of people who deny there is problem untill its kicks them square in the ass and suddenly they get it. Some still don't, but you can't fix stupid.

If you think none of what happened in BC in 2021 has anything to do with human caused climate change that its all normal and business as usual. Good luck. Because most people will not take you seriously and most residents of BC will be mightily pissed off.

[chuckChuck]

Here is some news from the Vancouver Sun.

https://vancouversun.com/news/insurance-industry-describes-latest-extreme-weather-a-wake-up-call-on-climate-change

Insurance industry describes latest extreme weather as 'wake-up call' on climate change

While B.C. had been relatively spared the effects of previous extreme weather events compared to other provinces and countries, all that changed in 2021.

Kevin Griffin
Publishing date:
Nov 18, 2021 • 1 day ago

The latest extreme weather to hit B.C. is another sign that climate change is a “clear and present danger,” according to the Insurance Bureau of Canada.

Aaron Sutherland , vice-president of the bureau’s Pacific region, said while B.C. had been relatively spared the effects of previous extreme weather events compared to other provinces and countries, all that changed in 2021.

“We opened the year with some severe storms, had the heat dome, really devastating wildfires, and now we’ve had this,” he said referring to the recent rainstorm, flooding and mudslides.

“It should be a real wake-up call that climate change isn’t some future threat. It is a clear and present danger that’s increasingly impacting all of us today.”

On Wednesday, Sutherland the insurance industry declared the recent extreme weather in B.C. a catastrophic event, meaning losses of at least $25 million.

While a final tally will likely take at least a month, he expected them to likely be “much, much more” than that amount.

This year, B.C. had three other similar catastrophic events: The White Rock Lake wildfire in the Thompson-Nicola regional district in July and August resulted in $77 million in claims; the Lytton wildfire in late June, $78 million; and winter storms in January, more than $100 million.

Nationally, average annual cost of property damage or losses due to severe weather has increased from about $400 million before 2009 to about $2 billion annually in the last few years.

The IBC is the national association of the country’s home, business and private auto insurers.

Sutherland agreed that the climate emergency is making for “unexpected bedfellows” where you have the country’s insurance industry association and the environmental group David Suzuki Foundation saying essentially the same thing.

“For insurers, we’re simply following the numbers,” he said. “And the numbers are telling us unless something is done, the amount of money insurers are spending to rebuild homes and businesses following floods, fires and storms is only going to increase unless we get serious about the types of investments we’re making to prevent that type of damage happening in the first place.”

Sutherland also answered general questions homeowners may have about insurance:

Q: What kind of home insurance coverage do most British Columbians have to cover them in case of flooding?

Standard home insurance, he said, typically covers water damage from a burst pipe or a tree breaking through a roof resulting in rain damage.

Water damage from a sewer backing up is a separate, optional policy.

Protection from a riverbank overflowing its banks is provided by separate, optional flood coverage. He said about half of British Columbian homeowners have flood coverage, although that is likely to be much less in areas of high risk.

Q: What homeowners are likely to have flood insurance?

In general, if you live adjacent to a waterway or in a lower-lying area, it may be more difficult to get flood insurance. But even that can vary. If one house, for example, is more elevated than its neighbours, it may be able to get coverage, even if it is closer to a waterway.

Sutherland said it can be complicated because the location and circumstances will have an influence. He said most flood maps in B.C. are from the 1980s and don’t take into account recent climate and topological data.

Q: What kinds of extreme events are covered by standard insurance policies?

Standard home insurance policies provide coverage for fire, wind and hail. Not covered as part of a standard policy are flood and earthquakes, which are optional.

He said there is no insurance available for landslides, which falls under government disaster assistance.

Anyone with questions about insurance should contact their insurance representative. People can also call the Insurance Bureau of Canada at 1-844-2ask-IBC (1-844-227-5422).

kevingriffin@postmedia.com