BC floods.

[WiltonRanch]

10 billion dollars to improve dikes?

Sounds like government accounting.


You ever watch the amount of dirt they move in those gold mining shows with a few million and a bunch of wore out old junk?
Get at it! Don't just sit around wringing your hands and spending all the money on climate change studies.

My ancestors were teamsters who worked on canals in Ontario and later railroad beds in the west. Did it in the 1800’s with horses and fresnos. Think in this day and age with how pressing the issues are everyone would simply just get at it.

[shtferbrains]

They could just go right at it. Its a climate emergency. No multi million dollar studies. No pork barrel engeneering contracts. The next rain is coming.

Trim it up later when it dries up.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

If you don't want to read it. No problem. I skip over most of the threads on this site and focus on the ones I am interested in. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.

Wow, truer words have never been spoken. You skip over every thread with a hint that the topic is agricultural, or marketing related.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

They could just go right at it. Its a climate emergency. No multi million dollar studies. No pork barrel engeneering contracts. The next rain is coming.

Trim it up later when it dries up.

I was optimistic that the emergency approval model that was used to quickly create and administer the Covid vaccines without the years of red tape would be a model that our regulation obsessed society could use in other spheres where the public good is at stake. Such as flood mitigation in this case, including confiscation of private land as required, and destruction of sensitive habitat/ aboriginal rights etc. without endless years of study and consultation. But unfortunately, the way the vaccine has turned out, it could be a big set back for emergency approvals of infrastructure going forward too.

[TOM4CWB]

My ancestors were teamsters who worked on canals in Ontario and later railroad beds in the west. Did it in the 1800’s with horses and fresnos. Think in this day and age with how pressing the issues are everyone would simply just get at it.

"CP Rail reopens key line between Vancouver and Kamloops after extreme weather disaster
Duration: 02:46 16 hrs ago [Global News

Some of British Columbia's key roads remain closed after landslides and floods triggered by an extreme weather disaster. But one vital rail line has reopened, and another will soon follow. Mike Armstrong looks at their mountainous task still ahead for the truck industry, as the supply chain backlog builds up."

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/video/news/cp-rail-reopens-key-line-between-vancouver-and-kamloops-after-extreme-weather-disaster/vi-AAR3CJz?ocid=msedgntp

[TOM4CWB]

"CP Rail reopens key line between Vancouver and Kamloops after extreme weather disaster
Duration: 02:46 16 hrs ago [Global News

Some of British Columbia's key roads remain closed after landslides and floods triggered by an extreme weather disaster. But one vital rail line has reopened, and another will soon follow. Mike Armstrong looks at their mountainous task still ahead for the truck industry, as the supply chain backlog builds up."

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/video/news/cp-rail-reopens-key-line-between-vancouver-and-kamloops-after-extreme-weather-disaster/vi-AAR3CJz?ocid=msedgntp

The first CP trains arrived in Vancouver this morning, CN says their line will open this afternoon… according to Bloomberg.
Folks should remember that the Kamloops to Vancouver tracks are directional traffic… with both CN and CP trains on the same line… operated for efficient one way trains of both CN and CP traffic movement for many years now.

Cheers

[WiltonRanch]

The first CP trains arrived in Vancouver this morning, CN says their line will open this afternoon… according to Bloomberg.

Cheers

Railroads don’t piss around. Lots of washed out roads will probably need bridges as a long term solution. Wife showed me pictures from Australia of long bridges over bone dry river beds. It’s not that they’re needed all the time but they are still needed. It’s like owning a grain dryer. Govt can blame climate change but it’s a deficiency in maintaining infrastructure. It has to take a calamity every generation to keep people aware. We haven’t had a lot of snow here for enough years that we are becoming complacent about snow removal equipment. Guaranteed we’ll get another big dump and be screwed. Government and people have a short memory and live in the today more than they realize.

[Blaithin]

Been watching the B.C. Ministry of Transportation photos of the clean up and fixing. I can’t say it looks like an exceptional job is being done. Particularly with the track at Tank Hill. If it rains again next week it looks like it’ll just wash right back out! They’ve moved a lot of dirt this week but I’m not sure that should be the only standard used.

Hopefully they’re just opening to try and get the backlog caught up a bit and then will have smaller sections shut down for more concrete repairs.

[shtferbrains]

We had a area along the railway where a creek runs into the river that has a realy deep gorge that has problems with washout.
They brought about 20 sidedump cars of what looked like rock blasted off the side of a mountain and dumped it into that washout.
They can move a lot of product and have the eqipment to do it quickly.

[WiltonRanch]

We had a area along the railway where a creek runs into the river that has a realy deep gorge that has problems with washout.
They brought about 20 sidedump cars of what looked like rock blasted off the side of a mountain and dumped it into that washout.
They can move a lot of product and have the eqipment to do it quickly.

That railroad gravel sure is different looking stuff. Literally it must be blasted out of a mountain quarry. Can move a pile of gravel on a train. Forget the name of the construction company in Edmonton which has a pit north of the city rails the gravel in. Nothing equals the efficiency of rail for hauling heavy stuff. Go figure.

[Hamloc]

Excellent article in the Financial Post: “Terence Corcoran: A human mistake-Why the B.C. floods are not a climate change issue.”

Lots of interesting history, talks about how many different studies were done on what was needed to protect Sumas Praire and as an example how B.C. implemented a carbon tax in 2008 and none of it has been used for adaptation and flood mitigation. Governments would rather fight a climate boogeyman 80 years in the future than actually do something today!

[TOM4CWB]

Excellent article in the Financial Post: “Terence Corcoran: A human mistake-Why the B.C. floods are not a climate change issue.”

Lots of interesting history, talks about how many different studies were done on what was needed to protect Sumas Praire and as an example how B.C. implemented a carbon tax in 2008 and none of it has been used for adaptation and flood mitigation. Governments would rather fight a climate boogeyman 80 years in the future than actually do something today!

Just a thought,
When the Oroville Dam spillway washed out… in California after the Atmosphere River filled that Dam to overflow…

They spent $1B to fix the spillways Double what the whole Oroville Dam 700’ high cost in the 1950’s.

Reconstructed dikes and modernization of the drainage systems in the Fraser Valley… which should have been being upgraded 20 years ago… is a multi Billion dollar plus project… If the Railways and Highway’s are hardened and upgraded to modern standards that would withstand another storm like happened 10 days ago in SW BC.

Better these upgrades be done when considering what we as Canadians have wasted 100$ of Billions over the past 2 years with no lasting benefits enduring in Capital capacity or assets.

Cheers