Fertilizer prices today will bankrupt most farms with a hiccup next year. PERIOD!

[Guest]

fert dealer said there is no way all the juice cans behind drills will get filled when they need to next spring

[TASFarms]

fert dealer said there is no way all the juice cans behind drills will get filled when they need to next spring

Doesn’t sound like a good business partner

[Oliver88]

fert dealer said there is no way all the juice cans behind drills will get filled when they need to next spring

From what I understand, this fall had two planned preventative maintenance shutdowns for Western Canada NH3 production during the fall NH3 season.

Should we buy Nutrien shares?

[jdg364]

I wonder if the recent drop in our CAD dollar will give fertilizer prices another reason to push higher?

[GALAXIE500]

Run those numbers on less than 1/2 the yield

Run those numbers on a 8-11 bpa durum crop ( summerfallow) and 3-5 bu/ac durum crop on stubble. That's what our area had for a crop this year.

Not good, but here's hoping we get some snow!
I had to put in a picture of an old Ford just because.

[tweety]

The grain prices this year has maybe shown you that fertilizing till you're broke to ensure over supply and low prices isn't a good economic model for farming - but great for every other industry.

Or at least it should have. By the posts, it hasn't.

It's like you're programmed to spend as much as possible to ensure every other industry stays viable at the cost of viability of your own because that is what makes you a top grower, and everyone has to be and takes tremendous pride in being a top grower, right? If not, you're a laggard, low tech, not innovative, a terrible farmer that just doesn't "get it".

After all, we have starving mouths to feed in 2050 - so overproduce food today. Thanks Rob Saik for that continuing message.

Start catching on to the over production scam constantly messaged. Grow more. And more. And more.

[bucket]

The grain prices this year has maybe shown you that fertilizing till you're broke to ensure over supply and low prices isn't a good economic model for farming - but great for every other industry.

Or at least it should have. By the posts, it hasn't.

It's like you're programmed to spend as much as possible to ensure every other industry stays viable at the cost of viability of your own because that is what makes you a top grower, and everyone has to be and takes tremendous pride in being a top grower, right? If not, you're a laggard, low tech, not innovative, a terrible farmer that just doesn't "get it".

After all, we have starving mouths to feed in 2050 - so overproduce food today. Thanks Rob Saik for that continuing message.

Start catching on to the over production scam constantly messaged. Grow more. And more. And more.

Interesting points but it seems that even with large production the world runs out very quickly. Shortages everywhere, and Canada's production does matter.

How does mustard get to $1.20 a pound other than no production in Canada?
How do peas run up to $17 or higher?

Etc etc

Canadian farmers have been sold a bunch of nonsense and our representation is just shitty, provincially and federally and from farm groups.

Fertilizer canada according to twitter has already had the ear of the conservative caucus. And none of those MPs probably had the nerve to ask why are they gouging farmers?

[SASKFARMER]

So lets look at it another way because some learnt the lesson this year you can count on a few things but Mother Nature isn't one of them.

So Fert costs in the Hail Mary pass are $230 an acre

Typical crop insurance

Lets go 45 BPA Wheat at 70 % is 31.5 x what will they pick in 2022. Now if they use the price today that's nice and worked for years but with last years payout I bet they change the formula to include the whole year and a few back. So lets say 12 and 6 normal they will go 9

31.5 x 9 = 283.50 an acre guarantee for 2022. Now any of you who think they will get a nice premium for the new value are smoking dope. The premium will be 20 some with experience discount but most had a claim so that will **** with that number. Let's go 15 for shits and giggles.

So 268.00 left to pay bills with a drought again and throwing the Hail Mary Fert to the wall.

268 - 230 you have 38 bucks to pay all your rent and most throwing that kind of money will be paying 80 to a 100 an acre so basically you are broke. End of Story.

So oh there is super insurance programs that pay to play.

We'll say you get an average of $80 an acre after they do the calculations is that going to save the above farm?

Also super duper insurance programs will have a premium increase you can bet the farm on that.

Now look at growing a normal lower production system.

We create the shortage they need us and don't think they don't. Ill bet a Bottle of Yellowstone Bourbon that you will make more money growing 40 BPA Canola than 60 any day and 50 wheat vs 90 any day.

We as producers feed the parasites they get rich and most of you suffer. you think you don't but heck I can bet my home in Florida is smaller than the head of a fertilizer company. He needs farmers for his product.

But lets look at the lower

Just starter fertilizer and crop insurance.

Basic $41 or 96 with anhydrous.

268 - 41 = $227 I think you will survive and won't mine the ground ask your agronomist.

Do the whole system and you will still pay your bills for another year.

But hey were farmers we have to over produce to show the companies that were in control and then when they **** us we are like deer in the headlights.

Have a great Sunday.

Booking flights for February and March come join me. HAHAHA

[AlbertaFarmer5]

From what I understand, this fall had two planned preventative maintenance shutdowns for Western Canada NH3 production during the fall NH3 season.

Should we buy Nutrien shares?

I don't know any of the details. But safe to assume any facility utilizing natural gas is going to have pressure vessels and scheduled maintenance is not an option. Absa in Alberta will enforce regular recertification or inspection of any of their pressure vessels, they have to schedule around that.
Doesn't require a conspiracy theory to explain scheduled shutdowns. Likely scheduled years in advance, planned for the time of year when demand is lowest.

[Guest]

between drought, fert prices and seed shortage/price , no worries , the overproduction thing is not gonna happen , not possible

[agstar77]

With all that plans for spring continue. The SF3 s keep buying that million dollar machinery. Strange isn't it.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

between drought, fert prices and seed shortage/price , no worries , the overproduction thing is not gonna happen , not possible

Most of us in the first world have not experienced serious inflation before, so we have no point of reference. And we likely will cut back and produce smaller crops as we balk at these enormous price increases.

But if I put myself in the shoes of a farmer from some of our biggest competitors especially Argentina or fsu, where out of control inflation has just been a fact of life, they may not be so cautious about investing in high priced inputs, having seen this movie before, and assuming that crop braces will follow as their currency continues to drop.