What's next? This is getting out of hand

[Blaithin]

Socialist:

A farmer who uses the government subsidized crop insurance they bought into as a security measure and applies for government assistance when programs are available.

Capitalist:

A farmer who doesn’t need to use their crop insurance for the year or has no assistance programs to apply to.

[GDR]

Socialist:

A farmer who uses the government subsidized crop insurance they bought into as a security measure and applies for government assistance when programs are available.

Capitalist:

A farmer who doesn’t need to use their crop insurance for the year or has no assistance programs to apply to.

Ouch🤔

[bucket]

Socialist:

A farmer who uses the government subsidized crop insurance they bought into as a security measure and applies for government assistance when programs are available.

Capitalist:

A farmer who doesn’t need to use their crop insurance for the year or has no assistance programs to apply to.

So to paraphrase ..

The difference between 2 inches of rain?

[bucket]

Socialist:

A farmer who uses the government subsidized crop insurance they bought into as a security measure and applies for government assistance when programs are available.

Capitalist:

A farmer who doesn’t need to use their crop insurance for the year or has no assistance programs to apply to.

I see what you are saying. And do wish there was a better way without government programs.

Everything doubles as soon as government gets into the process. Whether it is administration for the purpose of tracking everyone or funding.

A water well or livestock equipment is my recent questions but the funding comes with another number to track or rules that have essentially been in place on my farm fro years without government dictating them.

Farmers have many numbers
There is Crop Insurance Number
Agristabily number
Premise ID number
Agriinvest has a number
SIN number
Number for the recent cattle payment
CCIA number

And yet if you want to do things at your own pace it seems you are at a disadvantage.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So what do you call a farmer who advocates against government programs of any sort including subsidized crop insurance, but accepts that it is necessary to partake of the same programs he campaigns against, in order to remain competitive with his fellow farmers who are taking advantage of said programs.
What good is a one man stand?
I still remember when the Alberta report news magazine decided to put their money where their mouth is and quit accepting the subsidies for media, and went out of business shortly thereafter.

[Rareearth]

Maybe a bankrupt capitalist?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Maybe a bankrupt capitalist?

Morally bankrupt, as opposed to financially bankrupt though.

[bucket]

So what do you call a farmer who advocates against government programs of any sort including subsidized crop insurance, but accepts that it is necessary to partake of the same programs he campaigns against, in order to remain competitive with his fellow farmers who are taking advantage of said programs.
What good is a one man stand?
I still remember when the Alberta report news magazine decided to put their money where their mouth is and quit accepting the subsidies for media, and went out of business shortly thereafter.

Probably sitting as a board member somewhere, an MP , MLA etc.

Until it hits there own house it doesn't matter ...they see it as an opportunity. Look at how quick the farm reps took on contract shortages and forgot about the other 25000 affected by drought.

[Blaithin]

I see what you are saying. And do wish there was a better way without government programs.

Everything doubles as soon as government gets into the process. Whether it is administration for the purpose of tracking everyone or funding.

A water well or livestock equipment is my recent questions but the funding comes with another number to track or rules that have essentially been in place on my farm fro years without government dictating them.

Farmers have many numbers
There is Crop Insurance Number
Agristabily number
Premise ID number
Agriinvest has a number
SIN number
Number for the recent cattle payment
CCIA number

And yet if you want to do things at your own pace it seems you are at a disadvantage.

A life without government programs would be more simple. You make it or you don’t. There would be no buffer.

To have that buffer you get complicated bureaucracy and government intervention. Easy to say it’s not worth it and we don’t want it, but are we actually capable of going it with no assistance.

Should we not take advantage of grants and programs available to us because we want less government involvement? For many this is a great way to try out new technology we otherwise wouldn’t have access too for years. In this incarnation a socialist structure isn’t awful, we are able to benefit from it. It’s a personal choice to utilize such programs, weighing the gov involvement against benefits like staying competitive and upgrading.

It seems that when the socialist structure assists others that the line starts to get blurred. Others shouldn’t be allowed it.

Now true, there are some who abuse the system. This is a fact of any system. Abusers are frustrating. Yet to have these programs there for use… it is comforting. I’ve been on EI before, I fall into the 10 head minimum for the AFSC claim for feed this year, I’m not not going to claim some help if and when I can get it if I need it.

Another alternative could be subsidized by more private monies instead of government funds. Technically probably not socialist. Would it be better? The way you hear about private corps manipulating research and information, can’t say that that sounds like a better option.

So that leaves don’t use any programs at all.

I’m sure some try this, but do they then feel embittered towards those who do use the programs and benefit from them? Why? Because it’s their taxes helping fund the programs? Then take advantage of the programs!

In the end I think it comes down to life would be a little less/differently complicated and harsh if we had no buffers like socialist supported programs and it seems like a great ideal in the face of mountains of gov paperwork and intervention. But we’re passed that in human social structure. Humans have become too specialized in our career choices and too densely populated in urban locations and too financially invested and our social structure has evolved to help with the issues these things bring with them. I don’t think it’s possible to go “back” so to speak. Not right now anyway.

So to sum up my rambling - use the socialist benefits or don’t use the socialist benefits. Regularly complain about socialist though, and you just sound bitter, because we can all access something beneficial from it. Pick on abusers if you must, but don’t toss the baby out with the bath water.

[Blaithin]

Ouch🤔

I don’t mean it poorly, just a tongue in cheek example.

But I don’t cringe and make the signs to ward off evil when I see the term socialist so…. 😂