US Grid Battery Storage

[TOM4CWB]

The Moss Landing Power Plant near Monterey, Calif., is home to more than 4,500 racks of batteries. It is among the world’s largest electricity-storage projects. CHRISTIE HEMM KLOK FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
By Jennifer Hiller and Katherine Blunt
Dec. 21, 2021 5:33 am ET

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Companies are poised to install record amounts of batteries on America’s electric grid this year, as government mandates and a steep decline in costs fuel rapid growth in power storage.

The U.S., which had less than a gigawatt of large battery installations in 2020—roughly enough to power 350,000 homes for a handful of hours—is on pace to add six gigawatts this year and another nine gigawatts in 2022, according to S&P Global Market Intelligence.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/battery-storage-soars-on-u-s-electric-grid-11640082783?mod=hp_lead_pos11

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WASHINGTON—The Biden administration on Monday raised fuel-efficiency standards for passenger cars and light duty trucks, saying the new standards will reduce pollution and save consumers billions of dollars at the gas pump.

Auto makers must meet a fleetwide average of 55 miles a gallon for cars and light trucks by model year 2026, up from the 43 mpg standard set by the Trump administration for that year. The fleetwide mileage standard for the current 2021 model year is 40 mpg.

[TASFarms]

What a way to phase out gas and diesel by making unattainable goals. What’s the battery life span? 5 years ? What happen when one messe up. In a semi when 1 of 4 shirts out it wrecks the rest in shirt order.

[shtferbrains]

Saw a picture of a battery storage that Musk put in. Must have been 20 acres of battery's that were good for about 20 minutes on a small area.
Didn't look environmentally friendly at all to me.

I'm sure if a few start going bad they will do the same as the truck battery's. You don't add 1 new one to a group that are starting to go bad.

[chuckChuck]

Whether its electric or fossil energy driven, why would you be opposed to using less energy to get the same or more work done?

Would you rather go back several models with your smart phone that is less efficient and has a shorter battery life?

Almost everyone on this site is happier when their equipment or vehicles are more energy efficient because they costs less to operate.

[shtferbrains]

Conrad Black has a good opinion article up at FP.

Say's socialism was essentially dead when the USSR collapsed and China went to a basicly free market for a while.

He says the govenment led climate change agenda is Socialists sneaking in the back door.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/the-capitalist-manifesto-conrad-black-on-invincibility-of-capitalism-and-re-establishing-americas-place-in-the-world

[chuckChuck]

Steve Harper said climate change was a socialist plot many years ago.

Now Erin Ohtool and several Conservative premiers have a carbon tax and plans to reduce carbon emissions.

Conrad Black is a good example of why you shouldn't listen to convicted criminals like him lecture us on capitalism and american democracy. Both of which seem to be weak and at risk of failing.

Several retired US Generals have said there is a risk of a civil war after 2024 in the highly polarized US because a large number of Trump Republicans still don't believe he lost the election fair and square.

Many republican states are passing laws to take control of the electoral system so they can put Republicans in charge of who gets elected in federal elections.

The US is a poor example of democracy and looking worse by the week.

[shtferbrains]

Never read it did you Chuck?

[TASFarms]

Steve Harper said climate change was a socialist plot many years ago.

Now Erin Ohtool and several Conservative premiers have a carbon tax and plans to reduce carbon emissions.

Conrad Black is a good example of why you shouldn't listen to convicted criminals like him lecture us on capitalism and american democracy. Both of which seem to be weak and at risk of failing.

Several retired US Generals have said there is a risk of a civil war after 2024 in the highly polarized US because a large number of Trump Republicans still don't believe he lost the election fair and square.

Many republican states are passing laws to take control of the electoral system so they can put Republicans in charge of who gets elected in federal elections.

The US is a poor example of democracy and looking worse by the week.

Erin Otool is a U.N. Lacky. He is not conservative.

[blackpowder]

Chuck doesn't understand the US at all.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck doesn't understand the US at all.

Now that is the understatement of the year.

But you have two redundant words.

You could remove the words the, and US, and the sentence would still be true.

What the heck does Donald Trump have to do with a thread about energy storage?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Just for perspective, since these big numbers always sound so impressive with nothing to compare to. Here is what the stated(in Toms article) 1GW of storage looks like compared to all Electricity production in the US. Total would be 16 GW by next year as per the article. 16 times bigger still wouldn't even be visible in the big picture.


And keep in mind that this is only electricity generation. Total energy use in the US is about 3 times bigger, and the zero emissions scenarios involve converting all of that to electric as well.

The saying a drop in the ocean doesn't even come close to giving this justice.

But uninformed ignorant twits such as Agrivilles own cheerleader will keep proclaiming that we will just install more storage and solve all the problems with intermittent.

At best, current storage technologies are barely adequate to give a few seconds or minutes of breathing room so load shedding can take place before the entire grid collapses. Load shedding basically meaning that they will shut off the power to us peasants to bring supply and demand back into balance.

[chuckChuck]

Toms article said nothing about the amount of renewable storage needed to replace current generation. That would be a massive impossible change. Its never going to be our sole source of electricity.

But that doesn't mean it won't be used. EVs alone will have a significant impact on storage.

The International Energy Agency has lots of analysis on energy issues, renewable sources and storage.

https://www.iea.org/news/renewable-electricity-growth-is-accelerating-faster-than-ever-worldwide-supporting-the-emergence-of-the-new-global-energy-economy

"By 2026, global renewable electricity capacity is forecast to rise more than 60% from 2020 levels to over 4 800 GW – equivalent to the current total global power capacity of fossil fuels and nuclear combined. Renewables are set to account for almost 95% of the increase in global power capacity through 2026, with solar PV alone providing more than half. The amount of renewable capacity added over the period of 2021 to 2026 is expected to be 50% higher than from 2015 to 2020. This is driven by stronger support from government policies and more ambitious clean energy goals announced before and during the COP26 Climate Change Conference.

“This year’s record renewable electricity additions of 290 gigawatts are yet another sign that a new global energy economy is emerging,” said IEA Executive Director Fatih Birol. “The high commodity and energy prices we are seeing today pose new challenges for the renewable industry, but elevated fossil fuel prices also make renewables even more competitive.”

The growth of renewables is forecast to increase in all regions compared with the 2015-2020 period. China remains the global leader in the volume of capacity additions: it is expected to reach 1200 GW of total wind and solar capacity in 2026 – four years earlier than its current target of 2030. India is set to come top in terms of the rate of growth, doubling new installations compared with 2015-2020. Deployments in Europe and the United States are also on track to speed up significantly from the previous five years. These four markets together account for 80% of renewable capacity expansion worldwide."

[Hamloc]

Toms article said nothing about the amount of renewable storage needed to replace current generation. That would be a massive impossible change. Its never going to be our sole source of electricity.

But that doesn't mean it won't be used. EVs alone will have a significant impact on storage.

The International Energy Agency has lots of analysis on energy issues, renewable sources and storage.

https://www.iea.org/news/renewable-electricity-growth-is-accelerating-faster-than-ever-worldwide-supporting-the-emergence-of-the-new-global-energy-economy

"By 2026, global renewable electricity capacity is forecast to rise more than 60% from 2020 levels to over 4 800 GW – equivalent to the current total global power capacity of fossil fuels and nuclear combined. Renewables are set to account for almost 95% of the increase in global power capacity through 2026, with solar PV alone providing more than half. The amount of renewable capacity added over the period of 2021 to 2026 is expected to be 50% higher than from 2015 to 2020. This is driven by stronger support from government policies and more ambitious clean energy goals announced before and during the COP26 Climate Change Conference.

“This year’s record renewable electricity additions of 290 gigawatts are yet another sign that a new global energy economy is emerging,” said IEA Executive Director Fatih Birol. “The high commodity and energy prices we are seeing today pose new challenges for the renewable industry, but elevated fossil fuel prices also make renewables even more competitive.”

The growth of renewables is forecast to increase in all regions compared with the 2015-2020 period. China remains the global leader in the volume of capacity additions: it is expected to reach 1200 GW of total wind and solar capacity in 2026 – four years earlier than its current target of 2030. India is set to come top in terms of the rate of growth, doubling new installations compared with 2015-2020. Deployments in Europe and the United States are also on track to speed up significantly from the previous five years. These four markets together account for 80% of renewable capacity expansion worldwide."

On Reuters: “Analysis: Weak winds worsened Europe’s power crunch; utilities need better storage.”

From the article” Europe’s largest wind producers Britain, Germany and Denmark harnessed just 14% of installed capacity, in the third quarter, when gas prices hit record highs, compared with an average of 20-26% seen in previous years, according to Refinitiv data.”

“It will become common for the electricity market in Europe to have a very high degree of volatility because that will be the nature of the assets that we are bringing online and the nature of assets we are taking offline.”

“In order to get commercial investments going into different kind of storage, like batteries, the market needs to give that price signal. There needs to be volatility and the stronger the price signal is, the more investment we will see.”

“Hopefully, the politicians have seen these price extremes over the last few months and will do the tally and then realize that probably we need to push for even more green energy and then figure out how we solve the problem of intermittency.”

Fml, the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result!

[shtferbrains]

I wounder if waiting for wind and sun to see if you have heat and power is something like hoping for the right amount of rain?

I guess we could all install pivots as a back up. You can solve anything if you just keep printing money.