EV Vehicle recharge

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So, given everything we have discussed in this thread, I will ask chuck again.

What carbon neutral generation do you think will be scaled up to replace 100% of fossil fuels within the next 28 years, and in Canada's case, replace 40 percent of them within 8 years?

You've seen the light, and have lately been adamant that it won't be intermittents.

We are already a few decades behind the permitting process to get enough hydro built in the next 8 years, maybe still possible for 28 years.

Just bump this up again, since Chuck seems to have missed it again.

[Guest]

Nuclear
There is no other way

[Sodbuster]

There are only 2 paths to 0% emissions, nuclear and hydro, both are unpopular by environmentalists. At some point our governments will have to choose before our infrastructure is overrun. Anybody that thinks solar and wind is the answer is sadly mistaken and this path will be another repeat of Texas.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Thanks for the comments guys, but I was specifically trying to corner Chuck into answering this one.

So far, in recent years he has gone from saying that unreliables with new and improved battery technologies were going to be the answer, to saying that his previous ideas was impossible, then moved on to we will keep using fossil fuels because no one said we were going to net zero, then onto acknoweldging that our very own government has pledged that we go to net zero in an impossibly short period of time, which blows up his fossil fuels are with us for a long time idea, he now insists that hydro electric will be counted as renewable( in spite of his very own organization opposing it, and most governments not considering it renewable, apparently that science isn't settled either), and can be scaled up at will.

Just baiting him to see which of his previous stances he will contradict next, now that he has painted himself into a corner.

Not that I expect him to have the answer, after all, our politicians seem equally clueless on this topic.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Nuclear not looking promising, Germany to close all nuclear plants by end of this year:

https://dailycaller.com/2021/12/30/germany-nuclear-power-renewable-energy-climate-change-fossil-fuels/

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

Is this good fuel economy?

[Hamloc]

Is this good fuel economy?

[ATTACH]9501[/ATTACH]

AB4, as I stated in a different thread, where I live in central Alberta, a 1000 watt solar panel would produce 1.33 kwh per day in December from a south facing array with the panels at a 60 degree angle to optimize output. How many kwh battery is in your car? Just wondering how large of an array it would take to charge your car if it was totally discharged(a rare occurrence I would guess)?

[poorboy]

Is this good fuel economy?

[ATTACH]9501[/ATTACH]

If we assign the extra electrical generation and infrastructure costs back to these vehicles, then their mileage doesn’t look as good. Right now it is just a different person at the table picking up the check. Meal cost is still the same.

Till that changes though, lots of incentives to look at these vehicles.

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

If we assign the extra electrical generation and infrastructure costs back to these vehicles, then their mileage doesn’t look as good. Right now it is just a different person at the table picking up the check. Meal cost is still the same.

Till that changes though, lots of incentives to look at these vehicles.

If that’s true then tell me about a 50hp electrical motor on your farm that is getting moved off the grid and on to a gen set for efficiency reasons.

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

AB4, as I stated in a different thread, where I live in central Alberta, a 1000 watt solar panel would produce 1.33 kwh per day in December from a south facing array with the panels at a 60 degree angle to optimize output. How many kwh battery is in your car? Just wondering how large of an array it would take to charge your car if it was totally discharged(a rare occurrence I would guess)?

The battery is name plate 75kWh but at full charge it only takes 61kWh. As far as the question it would really depend on the day. If you want to do it on dec 21st in a snow storm it would take a really big one but if you were to average out the 12month production and have your average daily production at 62 kWh it would be 18KW (southern alberta). In the summer you generate more but the car uses less (less energy per km). With a modern EV having 500km range it's pretty rare that you have to do a full charge unless you're just coming home from a road trip empty or you forgot to charge for a couple days.

But for your exact situation in central alberta in December it would be about 47KW however the car can only take 11KW max charging speed on AC circuit (limited by onboard inverter) so it would be pretty unlikely that you would get 4-5 hours of maximum production in December.

[Old Cowzilla]

Nuclear not looking promising, Germany to close all nuclear plants by end of this year:
https://dailycaller.com/2021/12/30/g...-fossil-fuels/

Bill Gates is doing a joint venture with U.S. gov on nuclear plant. Guess we should follow the money ! Enviro's won't be sending Bill any Christmas cards next year .

[poorboy]

If that’s true then tell me about a 50hp electrical motor on your farm that is getting moved off the grid and on to a gen set for efficiency reasons.

If I was to move a 50 hp electric motor off the grid to a gen set it would not be for efficiency, but to escape the huge monthly transmission and distribution costs that make up the majority of Alberta power bills. More electric vehicles are only going to make those costs increase.

Right now we have an adequate distribution and transmission system. If the province is going to have 50% of all vehicle sales be electric vehicles, then there will be a massive upgrade needed to the transmission and distribution system, which is a cost that EVERY Alberta power user will have to pay. So YES there are lots of costs of electric vehicles that are being passed on to others.

All I am saying is hopefully studies are being done on the whole system approach from start to disposal on things like power, heat and transportation, because right now I see a system measuring things on a per person basis and not a square km basis or even a “global” basis. The impact all these 1 million plus person cities are having on a global basis are huge.

Using current economics, electric vehicles make better economic sense all the time.