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[jazz]

Good article , interesting
Nice to see ,much better than casinos

Its a cbc article, so we know none of it is probably true.

A casino has a 10x better return than any renewable project.

Good article , interesting
Nice to see ,much better than casinos

[chuckChuck]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/gas-net-zero-electricity-frog-lake-kanata-1.6135094

Alberta First Nation teams up with tech company to build net-zero power plant

'This announcement demonstrates Indigenous leadership in Canada’s energy transition'
CBC News · Posted: Aug 09, 2021 4:21 PM MT | Last Updated: August 9, 2021
NET Power’s plant in La Porte, Texas, is seen in this photo. The company's test facility started generating power in 2018. (NET Power)

Work is under way to build what officials say will be the first net-zero natural gas-powered electricity plant in Canada.

Frog Lake First Nation, east of Edmonton, has partnered with Kanata Clean Power and Climate Technologies to use NET Power's patented technology to build the plant.

It will use natural gas and pure oxygen to generate electricity, with the resulting CO2 recycled through a combustor, turbine, heat exchanger and compressor — finally generating power without emissions, according to the companies.

Chad Gvozdenovic with Kanata Clean Power said he believes the technology is a game changer for both the province and the country.

"This will allow our transition and will support renewables with firm dispatchable 24/7 power, so we will allow renewables to penetrate really deeply in our electricity system," he said.

Frog Lake's NET Power plant will generate 300 megawatts of electricity, and produce water for 15,000 households. The clean water is a waste product of the process.

Kanata says the project development is underway with construction expected to start in 2023 and power production to start by 2025.

"This announcement demonstrates Indigenous leadership in Canada's energy transition," said Frog Lake Chief Greg Desjarlais in a release.

"We are now developing net zero infrastructure that will demonstrate our leadership, addressing climate change using technology that will help decarbonize Canada's economy."

A 50-megawatt plant using the same technology is already in operation in La Porte, Texas. Four others in the United States and United Kingdom are also in development.
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[shtferbrains]

Impotent? That is probably as accurate as what you meant to spell.

Lots of people out there that are very impotent.
They allways go to great effort to prove it to you.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Don't get any indication in the western media that coal will be around more than a few more years.
It's like a dead skunk on the side of the road.

China is in the process of starting one big plant that has 1/2 the capacity of all the remaining coal power in Canada. They have many more to bring on stream.

Don't you feel impotant to be boyscouts?

Impotent? That is probably as accurate as what you meant to spell.

[shtferbrains]

Don't get any indication in the western media that coal will be around more than a few more years.
It's like a dead skunk on the side of the road.

China is in the process of starting one big plant that has 1/2 the capacity of all the remaining coal power in Canada. They have many more to bring on stream.

Don't you feel impotant to be boyscouts?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Coal is dead. A zombie that hasn't been put out of it's misery. Not worth talking about as it drops into the abyss.
Right?

This is a cut and paste from the contract description fot the futures;

Coal is the major fuel used for generating electricity worldwide. The biggest producer and consumer of coal is China. Other big producers include: United States, India, Australia, Indonesia, Russia, South Africa, Germany and Poland. The biggest exporters of coal are: Indonesia, Australia, Russia, United States, Colombia, South Africa and Kazakhstan.

Coal is on a rip. Defiantly not dead yet.

Until a reliable, safe, cheap, transportable alternative comes along, coal will still be king.



Coal is still producing far more electricity world wide, than, solar, wind, other renewables and hydro electric, all added up.

Even in Germany, coal consumption for electricity generation is going UP this year, along with CO2, along with prices, as they added even more renewables.

[shtferbrains]

Coal is dead. A zombie that hasn't been put out of it's misery. Not worth talking about as it drops into the abyss.
Right?

This is a cut and paste from the contract description fot the futures;

Coal is the major fuel used for generating electricity worldwide. The biggest producer and consumer of coal is China. Other big producers include: United States, India, Australia, Indonesia, Russia, South Africa, Germany and Poland. The biggest exporters of coal are: Indonesia, Australia, Russia, United States, Colombia, South Africa and Kazakhstan.

Coal is on a rip. Defiantly not dead yet.

[Hamloc]

Glad you made it back Chuck, and Happy New Year.

You seem to have missed my question, what energy source do you see powering these electric vehicles, electric heating, and the entire electric grid when we meet our pledge of 0 carbon sources in 28 years?

And in your cut and paste above, you failed to consider the efficiency of the power generation, which here in Alberta, and most other places in the world is still fossil fuel powered.

The overall electrical efficiency of a combined-cycle power system is typically in the range of 50-60% — a substantial improvement over the efficiency of a simple, open-cycle application of around 33%

The overall coal plant efficiency ranges from 32 % to 42 %

Do you comprehend how the cumulative efficiencies of a multistep process combine? Or do you still believe that electricity is an energy source all by itself ( like you repeatedly claim that hydrogen is), and there are no efficiencies at the point of generation or transmission to be concerned about?

As was so eloquently pointed out by AB4 above in Central Alberta in December you would need a 47000 watt solar array to produce enough electricity to charge his Tesla. Looking on dispatcho.app today the solar facility at Innisfail produced O MW’s. So even if you spent the $100000 to build the 47 kw solar system your car wouldn’t go anywhere today in Central Alberta. How does that efficiency compare?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-analysis/energy-markets/market-snapshots/2021/market-snapshot-battery-electric-vehicles-are-far-more-fuel-efficient-than-vehicles-with-internal-combustion-engines.html

Battery electric vehicles (BEVs)Footnote 1 for sale in Canada in 2021 are far more fuel efficientFootnote 2 than vehicles with internal combustion engines (ICEVs). This higher efficiency is largely because electric motors are much more efficient than internal combustion engines (ICEs).

In ICEVs, fuels like diesel and gasoline are ignited so the expanding gas pushes pistons to create motion. However, only 12% to 30% of the energy in gasoline is used to move a vehicle, with most of the remaining energy lost as heat.

BEVs, on the other hand, have electric motors, which use almost all of the energy in electricity to move the vehicle. BEVs also use “regenerative braking”, where, to slow down, the vehicle’s brakes convert kinetic energy (or motion) into electricity and store it in BEV batteries. Altogether, BEVs are far more efficient than ICEVs, with over 77% of the energy in electricity converted into movement when including regenerative braking.

Hybrid-electric vehicles (HEVs) are powered by both an electric motor and an internal combustion engine.Footnote 3 As a result, they are generally more efficient that ICEVs but less efficient than most BEVs.

Glad you made it back Chuck, and Happy New Year.

You seem to have missed my question, what energy source do you see powering these electric vehicles, electric heating, and the entire electric grid when we meet our pledge of 0 carbon sources in 28 years?

And in your cut and paste above, you failed to consider the efficiency of the power generation, which here in Alberta, and most other places in the world is still fossil fuel powered.

The overall electrical efficiency of a combined-cycle power system is typically in the range of 50-60% — a substantial improvement over the efficiency of a simple, open-cycle application of around 33%

The overall coal plant efficiency ranges from 32 % to 42 %

Do you comprehend how the cumulative efficiencies of a multistep process combine? Or do you still believe that electricity is an energy source all by itself ( like you repeatedly claim that hydrogen is), and there are no efficiencies at the point of generation or transmission to be concerned about?