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[shtferbrains]

A charger at every parking spot?

Lot of city folks live in appartments or park on the street.

But they probably won't be the ones getting the EV subsidies.

Why do people buying a Tesla or an Electic Hummer like sleepy Joe used for his announcement need taxpayer subsidies and mandates.

Same for personal use solar.
Large for profit solar farms get subsidies and then sell power to Amazon so they can greenwash and not have to pay carbon tax. Subsidies on subsidies.

Get the subsidies out and let the wealthy pay thier own. Why do they need taxpayer money to buy Tesla's?

[chuckChuck]

Why does the oil industry need subsidies, incentives and low royalty rates? And then leave taxpayers to pay for the clean up of old wells and facilities?

[shtferbrains]

Let's subsidise everything.

We will all be floating on a cloud a freshly printer money. More is always better.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Good one A5. I already said using renewables and storage to replace all fossil fuel generation sources was impossible. But you already forgot that because of your short memory. Just like you seem to forget that 60% of Canada's electricity is already from renewable hydro?

How can you be so out of touch with your own movement?

Lately, you keep repeating this statement about renewables not replacing fossil fuels. Yet as of today, :
Parties, representing 81 countries and 73.8% of global GHG emissions, have communicated a net-zero target

representing more than half of global emissions, have set a net-zero target.

with key economies like China, the United States and the European Union articulating such commitments

Canada passed the Canadian Net-Zero Emissions Accountability Act in June 2021, which enshrines its 2050 net zero target into law.

To use your own arguement, why don't you tell the experts they are all wrong? ( and they are, you are right in this case). But that doesn't seem to stop them from forcing this expensive, dangerous, economy killing boondoggle on us.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

But you already forgot that because of your short memory. Just like you seem to forget that 60% of Canada's electricity is already from renewable hydro?

Why do you persist on claiming hydro as renewable? Most environmental groups( including your very own NFU), and governments don't.

But in general, hydropower is not even considered a renewable energy in most states or, for the most part, by the federal government.

Greenpeace also opposes large-scale hydropower projects

National Farmers Union calls on BC Agriculture Minister to Stop Site C
etc.

And yes, Canada is in the almost unique position of having vast hydro resources, but in the big picture, that 60% turns into 24% of all primary energy consumption in Canada, with almost all of the remainder coming from fossil fuels. And according to our federal government, and your very own NFU, all of those fossil fuels need to be phased out, so we will need to generate enough electricity to cover all of those displaced fossil fuels. We will need more than 4 times as much hydro. In spite of your organization, and every other misguided environmentalist opposing hydro every step of the way.

Also from your own NFU website:
The switch to zero emission cars, trucks, and machinery is inevitable as we move past our target of 40% emissions reduction by 2030 and toward 2050 when emissions will need to be... zero

So to meet the 40% reduction by 2030 ( 8 years) out of the 76% of Canada's energy needs currently not being met by hydro, we need to increase hydro up to over 50% of our total energy needs. So we need to more than double the current hydro production in only 8 years. 8 years isn't even enough to navigate the legal obstructions put up by hyprcritical green zealots such as your own NFU, let alone design, finance, build and commission that many hydro dams. And in the next 20 years, we need to build 4 times that many.
I think your original plan of everyone owning garages full of hundreds of Teslas has a better chance of happening.

[Hamloc]

Why do you persist on claiming hydro as renewable? Most environmental groups( including your very own NFU), and governments don't.

But in general, hydropower is not even considered a renewable energy in most states or, for the most part, by the federal government.

Greenpeace also opposes large-scale hydropower projects

National Farmers Union calls on BC Agriculture Minister to Stop Site C
etc.

And yes, Canada is in the almost unique position of having vast hydro resources, but in the big picture, that 60% turns into 24% of all primary energy consumption in Canada, with almost all of the remainder coming from fossil fuels. And according to our federal government, and your very own NFU, all of those fossil fuels need to be phased out, so we will need to generate enough electricity to cover all of those displaced fossil fuels. We will need more than 4 times as much hydro. In spite of your organization, and every other misguided environmentalist opposing hydro every step of the way.

Also from your own NFU website:
The switch to zero emission cars, trucks, and machinery is inevitable as we move past our target of 40% emissions reduction by 2030 and toward 2050 when emissions will need to be... zero

So to meet the 40% reduction by 2030 ( 8 years) out of the 76% of Canada's energy needs currently not being met by hydro, we need to increase hydro up to over 50% of our total energy needs. So we need to more than double the current hydro production in only 8 years. 8 years isn't even enough to navigate the legal obstructions put up by hyprcritical green zealots such as your own NFU, let alone design, finance, build and commission that many hydro dams. And in the next 20 years, we need to build 4 times that many.
I think your original plan of everyone owning garages full of hundreds of Teslas has a better chance of happening.

Site C dam in B.C. started the regulatory approval process in 2010, received it in October of 2014 and construction is supposed to be complete in 2025. Doubling hydroelectric capacity by 2030 is certainly a pipe dream, doubling it by 2050 is probably a stretch!

As far as using car batteries as part of essential grid storage I am curious how you intend to reimburse owners for decreasing the life span of the car battery. Every battery can only be charged and discharged so many times, using cars as grid back up would surely shorten the lifespan of the battery.

[shtferbrains]

Im sure they could devise some type of subsidy to make it attractive enough to get a few to let the govement drain your tank to say it was an important innovation.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Im sure they could devise some type of subsidy to make it attractive enough to get a few to let the govement drain your tank to say it was an important innovation.

I suspect that both you and Hamloc are coming at this from the wrong angle. Just remember, "you will own nothing and be happy". There is no "your tank" in the dystopian future these folks have envisioned for us.

I've brought up this question of compensation and battery life before, Chuck hasn't a clue about unintended consequences, and AB4 says it's a ridiculous idea, doesn’t even warrant consideration.

[chuckChuck]

So A5 hydro is not considered renewable? Wrong again!

"Hydropower, or hydroelectric power, is a renewable source of energy that generates power by using a dam or diversion structure to alter the natural flow of a river or other body of water. Hydropower relies on the endless, constantly recharging system of the water cycle to produce electricity, using a fuel—water—that is not reduced or eliminated in the process."

https://www.energy.gov/eere/water/how-hydropower-works

Some organizations are opposed to large scale hydropower mega projects based on the negative environmental impacts and excessive over budget costs. But since we already have 60% of our nations electricity from hydro none of them are suggesting we shut them down. Some are suggesting more smaller scale projects to lessen the negative impacts and other lower impact renewable options.

In fact the NDP in BC decided to continue with site C after a review. So your assumption that all environmental organizations and progressive political parties are opposed to hydro power is wrong.

[chuckChuck]

"Parties, representing 81 countries and 73.8% of global GHG emissions, have communicated a net-zero target representing more than half of global emissions, have set a net-zero target. with key economies like China, the United States and the European Union articulating such commitments"

Good to know A5. There goes the argument that Canada shouldn't do anything because China and other much larger emitters of greenhouse gases are doing nothing.

[Hamloc]

I suspect that both you and Hamloc are coming at this from the wrong angle. Just remember, "you will own nothing and be happy". There is no "your tank" in the dystopian future these folks have envisioned for us.

I've brought up this question of compensation and battery life before, Chuck hasn't a clue about unintended consequences, and AB4 says it's a ridiculous idea, doesn’t even warrant consideration.

Certainly not disagreeing with the goal of some supposed visionaries of this dystopian future. My next question is this if we own nothing and we are happy do we need or do we have a car? If we don’t own or have a car we don’t have the battery to store energy. In this scenario of government supplied everything wouldn’t they just build battery storage into the housing unit?

[chuckChuck]

Just checked the logs on my solar inverters today at 12:00 noon.

Minus 31 C, sun shining with a bit ice fog.

17924 watts of output more than enough to cover our current usage with some left over for someone else to use. But only get a few hours of production per day at this time of year. But could have set a timer to charge an EV with a level 2 charger during the most productive hours.

In total 37858 kwh of production in 2021!

At 14 cents per kwh that is worth $5300 in Saskatchewan.

At 20 cents per kwh that is worth $7571 in Alberta.

I will publish our Sask Power consumption and generation numbers when I get our December bill in January.

[ajl]

I suspect that both you and Hamloc are coming at this from the wrong angle. Just remember, "you will own nothing and be happy". There is no "your tank" in the dystopian future these folks have envisioned for us.

I've brought up this question of compensation and battery life before, Chuck hasn't a clue about unintended consequences, and AB4 says it's a ridiculous idea, doesn’t even warrant consideration.

This is exactly right. The few plebes that are left after the 'vaccine' and the upcoming Marberg virus plandemic will not be able to afford a car anyways. You will be supplied any transportation you need to the 'jobsite'. Today's wacky conspiracy theory is tomorrow's reality. Happy New Year.

[chuckChuck]

Certainly not disagreeing with the goal of some supposed visionaries of this dystopian future. My next question is this if we own nothing and we are happy do we need or do we have a car? If we don’t own or have a car we don’t have the battery to store energy. In this scenario of government supplied everything wouldn’t they just build battery storage into the housing unit?

Tesla power wall already exists. Alberta has a couple of grid storage batteries already listed on the AESO site.

Other forms of energy storage are being used or worked on. Pumped hydro, gravity based, compressed air, ammonia production from renewables.

Its not clear whether EV batteries will have any useful role in storing electricity for putting back into the grid. It certainly is being discussed by some electrical engineers. And some auto companies are promoting their EVs for providing short term backup power for houses.

I think most of the changes and adaptation to multiple sources of intermittent and base load generation will come at the grid level.

[Hamloc]

Just checked the logs on my solar inverters today at 12:00 noon.

Minus 31 C, sun shining with a bit ice fog.

17924 watts of output more than enough to cover our current usage with some left over for someone else to use. But only get a few hours of production per day at this time of year. But could have set a timer to charge an EV with a level 2 charger during the most productive hours.

In total 37858 kwh of production in 2021!

At 14 cents per kwh that is worth $5300 in Saskatchewan.

At 20 cents per kwh that is worth $7571 in Alberta.

I will publish our Sask Power consumption and generation numbers when I get our December bill in January.

This is in your alternate reality of course. I just looked on Saskpower website and at present if you install a solar system you are payed 7.5 cents a kwh for excess power generated and sold onto the grid, price is in effect until 2026. As I have told you many times in Alberta you are only payed the generation portion which is presently 6.89 cents a kwh. You damage your own credibility because you don’t use actual numbers.