EV Vehicle recharge

[ajl]

I suspect that both you and Hamloc are coming at this from the wrong angle. Just remember, "you will own nothing and be happy". There is no "your tank" in the dystopian future these folks have envisioned for us.

I've brought up this question of compensation and battery life before, Chuck hasn't a clue about unintended consequences, and AB4 says it's a ridiculous idea, doesn’t even warrant consideration.

This is exactly right. The few plebes that are left after the 'vaccine' and the upcoming Marberg virus plandemic will not be able to afford a car anyways. You will be supplied any transportation you need to the 'jobsite'. Today's wacky conspiracy theory is tomorrow's reality. Happy New Year.

[chuckChuck]

Certainly not disagreeing with the goal of some supposed visionaries of this dystopian future. My next question is this if we own nothing and we are happy do we need or do we have a car? If we don’t own or have a car we don’t have the battery to store energy. In this scenario of government supplied everything wouldn’t they just build battery storage into the housing unit?

Tesla power wall already exists. Alberta has a couple of grid storage batteries already listed on the AESO site.

Other forms of energy storage are being used or worked on. Pumped hydro, gravity based, compressed air, ammonia production from renewables.

Its not clear whether EV batteries will have any useful role in storing electricity for putting back into the grid. It certainly is being discussed by some electrical engineers. And some auto companies are promoting their EVs for providing short term backup power for houses.

I think most of the changes and adaptation to multiple sources of intermittent and base load generation will come at the grid level.

[Hamloc]

Just checked the logs on my solar inverters today at 12:00 noon.

Minus 31 C, sun shining with a bit ice fog.

17924 watts of output more than enough to cover our current usage with some left over for someone else to use. But only get a few hours of production per day at this time of year. But could have set a timer to charge an EV with a level 2 charger during the most productive hours.

In total 37858 kwh of production in 2021!

At 14 cents per kwh that is worth $5300 in Saskatchewan.

At 20 cents per kwh that is worth $7571 in Alberta.

I will publish our Sask Power consumption and generation numbers when I get our December bill in January.

This is in your alternate reality of course. I just looked on Saskpower website and at present if you install a solar system you are payed 7.5 cents a kwh for excess power generated and sold onto the grid, price is in effect until 2026. As I have told you many times in Alberta you are only payed the generation portion which is presently 6.89 cents a kwh. You damage your own credibility because you don’t use actual numbers.

[chuckChuck]

The 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning Can Power Your House, a Lot Else—for a While

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-charging-generator-power/

[chuckChuck]

This is in your alternate reality of course. I just looked on Saskpower website and at present if you install a solar system you are payed 7.5 cents a kwh for excess power generated and sold onto the grid, price is in effect until 2026. As I have told you many times in Alberta you are only payed the generation portion which is presently 6.89 cents a kwh. You damage your own credibility because you don’t use actual numbers.

In Saskatchewan 7.5 cents is what you are credited for any surplus production that you don't use in a year. Not in a day. With our system we have a net meter that goes back and forth. Most years with heavy aeration use we use more than we generate. Anything we produce displaces Saskpower's supply which costs us approximately 14 cents a Kwh. So in effect we save the 14 cents per kwh that would have gone to Sask Power.

Of course in Alberta's de regulated system you are still paying for transmission and distribution whether you have a net metering solar system or not. Not sure of all the rules in Alberta's wild west system. So the 20 cents a kwh value I quoted is just to get you Albertans excited. But to clear things up our solar electricity that we generate and consume over the course of a year is worth 14 cents per kwh under Sask Power rules.

But the fact is you pay more for farm electricity that us Saskys do. Thanks to a crown corporation, cross subsidization and regular rate reviews.

[burnt]

Certainly not disagreeing with the goal of some supposed visionaries of this dystopian future. My next question is this if we own nothing and we are happy do we need or do we have a car? If we don’t own or have a car we don’t have the battery to store energy. In this scenario of government supplied everything wouldn’t they just build battery storage into the housing unit?

You got it - Britain is already working on eliminating private transportation means - by any means.

You will share the community bicycle, if you need to go to town.

Of course you will be told that you have no need to go to town because when you scan your vaxport to check out the neighborhood set of bent wheels, the machine will tell you that you bought your months' caloric quota 3 weeks ago. So you look for some mealworms to scarf back for the next week.

Furthermore, you pose a national health threat because your QR code shows that you haven't had your 29th booster for the latest viral release.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/uk-inches-closer-to-eliminating-private-car-ownership/ar-AASbota

[chuckChuck]

I suspect that both you and Hamloc are coming at this from the wrong angle. Just remember, "you will own nothing and be happy". There is no "your tank" in the dystopian future these folks have envisioned for us.

I've brought up this question of compensation and battery life before, Chuck hasn't a clue about unintended consequences, and AB4 says it's a ridiculous idea, doesn’t even warrant consideration.

So I see you and some of the usual suspects are reverting to the half baked conspiracy theories to explain your world view.

Apparently the engineers at Ford don't think using a F150 Lightning battery for a household backup is a bad idea. But what do Ford engineers know? LOL

[Hamloc]

So I see you and some of the usual suspects are reverting to the half baked conspiracy theories to explain your world view.

Apparently the engineers at Ford don't think using a F150 Lightning battery for a household backup is a bad idea. But what do Ford engineers know? LOL

Before running your house with the truck you will have to wire in a transfer switch so that you don’t put electricity back into the power line. When I installed my back up generator in 1986 it wasn’t that expensive. Not sure what that costs in today’s world, I am sure $3-4000, maybe more. Nothing is free lol.

[shtferbrains]

So A5 hydro is not considered renewable? Wrong again!

"Hydropower, or hydroelectric power, is a renewable source of energy that generates power by using a dam or diversion structure to alter the natural flow of a river or other body of water. Hydropower relies on the endless, constantly recharging system of the water cycle to produce electricity, using a fuel—water—that is not reduced or eliminated in the process."

https://www.energy.gov/eere/water/how-hydropower-works

Some organizations are opposed to large scale hydropower mega projects based on the negative environmental impacts and excessive over budget costs. But since we already have 60% of our nations electricity from hydro none of them are suggesting we shut them down. Some are suggesting more smaller scale projects to lessen the negative impacts and other lower impact renewable options.

In fact the NDP in BC decided to continue with site C after a review. So your assumption that all environmental organizations and progressive political parties are opposed to hydro power is wrong.

Hydro cost even on the boondoggle SNC type operations will look good in a renewable economy.
Power will worth 5x as it will be only reliable base load if Nuke can't get going. You want to talk cost overuns look at Nuclear.

They have been trying to pull dams off the Snake river for a long while.
Another court challenge going on now about the salmon that run the river may or may not be reduced therefore the Killer whales arn't as abundant on the west coast. Kind of like no tanker traffic hauling LNG off Canadian coast.

They haul most grain to Portland on barges because the dams maintain river level.

What was the BANANA thing.

If it's important to commerce there is a group trying to shut it down.
Back door socialism.

[chuckChuck]

Before running your house with the truck you will have to wire in a transfer switch so that you don’t put electricity back into the power line. When I installed my back up generator in 1986 it wasn’t that expensive. Not sure what that costs in today’s world, I am sure $3-4000, maybe more. Nothing is free lol.

Same for every backup generator system unless you manually shut off your supply and plug in the generator which is not recommended.

Ford has some sort of auto transfer switch to do the job with the Lightning.

[shtferbrains]

You got one ordered Chuck?
Be a nice truck.
Let us know how you like it.


How much will the rebate be?

[WiltonRanch]

So I see you and some of the usual suspects are reverting to the half baked conspiracy theories to explain your world view.

Apparently the engineers at Ford don't think using a F150 Lightning battery for a household backup is a bad idea. But what do Ford engineers know? LOL

I don’t know Chuck. With the events as of late some of these half baked conspiracy theories seem more plausible everyday. Much as you partake in becoming net zero yourself and crusade for it on this silly chat group take a step back and see the outright bullshit we are fed unintentionally and intentionally by powers that be and bad actors. Wherever you stand on things don’t become a useful idiot. People are becoming more cult like all the time and even though we think we are of free will and independent thought we can be manipulated and controlled far easier than we think. I am not only singling you out but all of us here to scrutinize our own beliefs and information sources. If what we believe in stands up to our own scrutiny then it is easier to justify and you actually know what you’re talking about and not appear a fool full of shit.