EV Vehicle recharge

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So, given everything we have discussed in this thread, I will ask chuck again.

What carbon neutral generation do you think will be scaled up to replace 100% of fossil fuels within the next 28 years, and in Canada's case, replace 40 percent of them within 8 years?

You've seen the light, and have lately been adamant that it won't be intermittents.

We are already a few decades behind the permitting process to get enough hydro built in the next 8 years, maybe still possible for 28 years.

[Guest]

Just checked the logs on my solar inverters today at 12:00 noon.

Minus 31 C, sun shining with a bit ice fog.

17924 watts of output more than enough to cover our current usage with some left over for someone else to use. But only get a few hours of production per day at this time of year. But could have set a timer to charge an EV with a level 2 charger during the most productive hours.

In total 37858 kwh of production in 2021!

At 14 cents per kwh that is worth $5300 in Saskatchewan.

At 20 cents per kwh that is worth $7571 in Alberta.

I will publish our Sask Power consumption and generation numbers when I get our December bill in January.

Is there any way you can use it for backup power in case of an extended power outage ?
I know you said because of your back feed that you can’t ?
Different hook up or something like that ?
Just curious
If I could use them for backup would sure change my mind

[TSIPP]

28 years sounds like a long time but 28 years ago was 1994.

[jazz]

28 years sounds like a long time but 28 years ago was 1994.

Biden has a $12,500 usd tax credit for EV purchase.

Without the solar subsidies and tax credits and carbon offsets Teslas value is exactly zero. An Enron like ponzi but this time backed by the govt and ESG cults.

I love how the EV cult can explain exactly the power costs down to the dime but can’t explain Teslas P/E.

Everybody is flooding the space for the carbon credits that will be the next push. Carbon credits are the ultimate NFTs and will make the Ponzi scheme blow up by 1000x. People will actually pay for something totally intangible. Amazing what they have done. I am actually quite impressed at the level of mass hypnosis they have achieved.

Every body into the meta verse. I should have paid $500k to get some virtual property next to snoop dogg.

[burnt]

I don’t know Chuck. With the events as of late some of these half baked conspiracy theories seem more plausible everyday................

If what we believe in stands up to our own scrutiny then it is easier to justify and you actually know what you’re talking about and not appear a fool full of shit.

Your observations about plausibility appear increasingly well founded.

Our own scrutiny is very important, but casting a broader net for info will lend the best defense against being the stinker.

[WiltonRanch]

Your observations about plausibility appear increasingly well founded.

Our own scrutiny is very important, but casting a broader net for info will lend the best defense against being the stinker.

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The lab leak theory is accepted by a lot of left leaning and ones I wouldn’t think of believing in bs. That’s a whole other ball of wax.

[chuckChuck]

Is there any way you can use it for backup power in case of an extended power outage ?
I know you said because of your back feed that you can’t ?
Different hook up or something like that ?
Just curious
If I could use them for backup would sure change my mind

Unfortunately grid tied solar systems are setup to shut down when the grid power goes out to protect workers who are out fixing the problem.

I asked about running a generator to backup the system and the electrician said it could be done but there is some worry about generators and uneven voltages for the inverters.

If I do run a backup generator I manually shut the main supply off at the meter. With an automatic transfer switch the solar would have to be isolated or shut off.

I am considering whether to upgrade to a bigger better backup generator with clean power. In which case I would consult with an electrician to see whether we can use it to run the inverters and keep the solar system running.

Solar on its own as a backup emergency source is limited to sunny days so its not really suited as a backup supply unless you have a battery or backup generator and can go off grid .

[rodd]

Side note. Neighbor's son just built a house in White City. Installed 2 breaker panels, basement and garage. I said good idea, easy access to add power outside or in garage. He said no, EV charger hookup in future.
Good chance the house will be here for over 100 years, why not plan for the future. Easy and cheaper to put panel in when building, than to add later.

[sumdumguy]

He chose White City or Emerald Park? Either way, the soil out here is just fantastic for building. The house built out on this white sand in 2001 does not have a crack in concrete anywhere. The soil washes off like chalk instead of schmearing like gumbo glue in Regina.

White City is trying to take over Emerald Park. We will fight it tooth and nail. We are on the very edge but our taxes and services in the RM of Edenwold are just the way we like them now. Only one drawback living out here.

[ColevilleH2S]

28 years sounds like a long time but 28 years ago was 1994.

That's a good way of thinking about it. 28 years ago my long permed hair would shimmer as I seeded with discers and harvested with the pulltype combine. Now all three are nothing but distant memories.

...I really miss that hair.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

That's a good way of thinking about it. 28 years ago my long permed hair would shimmer as I seeded with discers and harvested with the pulltype combine. Now all three are nothing but distant memories.

...I really miss that hair.

You don't miss cranking your neck backwards all day watching the pull type combine?

I doubt 28 years is long enough. What needs to happen, is we need to attempt high penetration of solar and wind first. That needs to fail spectacularly enough that all of the enviro nuts who oppose everything get cold and hungry enough ( and go without internet and transportation long enough) that they start to see the light, and allow constructive solutions to be pursued. But first, they need to blame everything and everyone except solar and wind, and as the article posted the other day indicated, they will insist that the problem was not enough wind and solar, so we will double down on failed policy. In the meantime, all of our energy intensive industries who used to provide employment and tax revenue, will have gone bankrupt or moved off shore, so there will be no capital to build the required infrastructure for hydro.

[Hamloc]

Unfortunately grid tied solar systems are setup to shut down when the grid power goes out to protect workers who are out fixing the problem.

I asked about running a generator to backup the system and the electrician said it could be done but there is some worry about generators and uneven voltages for the inverters.

If I do run a backup generator I manually shut the main supply off at the meter. With an automatic transfer switch the solar would have to be isolated or shut off.

I am considering whether to upgrade to a bigger better backup generator with clean power. In which case I would consult with an electrician to see whether we can use it to run the inverters and keep the solar system running.

Solar on its own as a backup emergency source is limited to sunny days so its not really suited as a backup supply unless you have a battery or backup generator and can go off grid .

The biggest complication is that all government subsidies for solar are for grid tie systems. If you install battery back up this is not subsidized. I can’t see why now that your system is built that you can’t install batteries and then have back up. The issue is of course it will require more wiring to install a transfer switch so you are not back feeding the electrical lines and you will have to change the wiring a bit to charge up your batteries before selling excess power to the grid.