EV Vehicle recharge

[chuckChuck]

Is there any way you can use it for backup power in case of an extended power outage ?
I know you said because of your back feed that you can’t ?
Different hook up or something like that ?
Just curious
If I could use them for backup would sure change my mind

Unfortunately grid tied solar systems are setup to shut down when the grid power goes out to protect workers who are out fixing the problem.

I asked about running a generator to backup the system and the electrician said it could be done but there is some worry about generators and uneven voltages for the inverters.

If I do run a backup generator I manually shut the main supply off at the meter. With an automatic transfer switch the solar would have to be isolated or shut off.

I am considering whether to upgrade to a bigger better backup generator with clean power. In which case I would consult with an electrician to see whether we can use it to run the inverters and keep the solar system running.

Solar on its own as a backup emergency source is limited to sunny days so its not really suited as a backup supply unless you have a battery or backup generator and can go off grid .

[rodd]

Side note. Neighbor's son just built a house in White City. Installed 2 breaker panels, basement and garage. I said good idea, easy access to add power outside or in garage. He said no, EV charger hookup in future.
Good chance the house will be here for over 100 years, why not plan for the future. Easy and cheaper to put panel in when building, than to add later.

[sumdumguy]

He chose White City or Emerald Park? Either way, the soil out here is just fantastic for building. The house built out on this white sand in 2001 does not have a crack in concrete anywhere. The soil washes off like chalk instead of schmearing like gumbo glue in Regina.

White City is trying to take over Emerald Park. We will fight it tooth and nail. We are on the very edge but our taxes and services in the RM of Edenwold are just the way we like them now. Only one drawback living out here.

[ColevilleH2S]

28 years sounds like a long time but 28 years ago was 1994.

That's a good way of thinking about it. 28 years ago my long permed hair would shimmer as I seeded with discers and harvested with the pulltype combine. Now all three are nothing but distant memories.

...I really miss that hair.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

That's a good way of thinking about it. 28 years ago my long permed hair would shimmer as I seeded with discers and harvested with the pulltype combine. Now all three are nothing but distant memories.

...I really miss that hair.

You don't miss cranking your neck backwards all day watching the pull type combine?

I doubt 28 years is long enough. What needs to happen, is we need to attempt high penetration of solar and wind first. That needs to fail spectacularly enough that all of the enviro nuts who oppose everything get cold and hungry enough ( and go without internet and transportation long enough) that they start to see the light, and allow constructive solutions to be pursued. But first, they need to blame everything and everyone except solar and wind, and as the article posted the other day indicated, they will insist that the problem was not enough wind and solar, so we will double down on failed policy. In the meantime, all of our energy intensive industries who used to provide employment and tax revenue, will have gone bankrupt or moved off shore, so there will be no capital to build the required infrastructure for hydro.

[Hamloc]

Unfortunately grid tied solar systems are setup to shut down when the grid power goes out to protect workers who are out fixing the problem.

I asked about running a generator to backup the system and the electrician said it could be done but there is some worry about generators and uneven voltages for the inverters.

If I do run a backup generator I manually shut the main supply off at the meter. With an automatic transfer switch the solar would have to be isolated or shut off.

I am considering whether to upgrade to a bigger better backup generator with clean power. In which case I would consult with an electrician to see whether we can use it to run the inverters and keep the solar system running.

Solar on its own as a backup emergency source is limited to sunny days so its not really suited as a backup supply unless you have a battery or backup generator and can go off grid .

The biggest complication is that all government subsidies for solar are for grid tie systems. If you install battery back up this is not subsidized. I can’t see why now that your system is built that you can’t install batteries and then have back up. The issue is of course it will require more wiring to install a transfer switch so you are not back feeding the electrical lines and you will have to change the wiring a bit to charge up your batteries before selling excess power to the grid.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So, given everything we have discussed in this thread, I will ask chuck again.

What carbon neutral generation do you think will be scaled up to replace 100% of fossil fuels within the next 28 years, and in Canada's case, replace 40 percent of them within 8 years?

You've seen the light, and have lately been adamant that it won't be intermittents.

We are already a few decades behind the permitting process to get enough hydro built in the next 8 years, maybe still possible for 28 years.

Just bump this up again, since Chuck seems to have missed it again.

[Guest]

Nuclear
There is no other way

[Sodbuster]

There are only 2 paths to 0% emissions, nuclear and hydro, both are unpopular by environmentalists. At some point our governments will have to choose before our infrastructure is overrun. Anybody that thinks solar and wind is the answer is sadly mistaken and this path will be another repeat of Texas.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Thanks for the comments guys, but I was specifically trying to corner Chuck into answering this one.

So far, in recent years he has gone from saying that unreliables with new and improved battery technologies were going to be the answer, to saying that his previous ideas was impossible, then moved on to we will keep using fossil fuels because no one said we were going to net zero, then onto acknoweldging that our very own government has pledged that we go to net zero in an impossibly short period of time, which blows up his fossil fuels are with us for a long time idea, he now insists that hydro electric will be counted as renewable( in spite of his very own organization opposing it, and most governments not considering it renewable, apparently that science isn't settled either), and can be scaled up at will.

Just baiting him to see which of his previous stances he will contradict next, now that he has painted himself into a corner.

Not that I expect him to have the answer, after all, our politicians seem equally clueless on this topic.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Nuclear not looking promising, Germany to close all nuclear plants by end of this year:

https://dailycaller.com/2021/12/30/germany-nuclear-power-renewable-energy-climate-change-fossil-fuels/

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

Is this good fuel economy?

[Hamloc]

Is this good fuel economy?

[ATTACH]9501[/ATTACH]

AB4, as I stated in a different thread, where I live in central Alberta, a 1000 watt solar panel would produce 1.33 kwh per day in December from a south facing array with the panels at a 60 degree angle to optimize output. How many kwh battery is in your car? Just wondering how large of an array it would take to charge your car if it was totally discharged(a rare occurrence I would guess)?

[poorboy]

Is this good fuel economy?

[ATTACH]9501[/ATTACH]

If we assign the extra electrical generation and infrastructure costs back to these vehicles, then their mileage doesn’t look as good. Right now it is just a different person at the table picking up the check. Meal cost is still the same.

Till that changes though, lots of incentives to look at these vehicles.

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

If we assign the extra electrical generation and infrastructure costs back to these vehicles, then their mileage doesn’t look as good. Right now it is just a different person at the table picking up the check. Meal cost is still the same.

Till that changes though, lots of incentives to look at these vehicles.

If that’s true then tell me about a 50hp electrical motor on your farm that is getting moved off the grid and on to a gen set for efficiency reasons.