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[chuckChuck]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/gas-net-zero-electricity-frog-lake-kanata-1.6135094

Alberta First Nation teams up with tech company to build net-zero power plant

'This announcement demonstrates Indigenous leadership in Canada’s energy transition'
CBC News · Posted: Aug 09, 2021 4:21 PM MT | Last Updated: August 9, 2021
NET Power’s plant in La Porte, Texas, is seen in this photo. The company's test facility started generating power in 2018. (NET Power)

Work is under way to build what officials say will be the first net-zero natural gas-powered electricity plant in Canada.

Frog Lake First Nation, east of Edmonton, has partnered with Kanata Clean Power and Climate Technologies to use NET Power's patented technology to build the plant.

It will use natural gas and pure oxygen to generate electricity, with the resulting CO2 recycled through a combustor, turbine, heat exchanger and compressor — finally generating power without emissions, according to the companies.

Chad Gvozdenovic with Kanata Clean Power said he believes the technology is a game changer for both the province and the country.

"This will allow our transition and will support renewables with firm dispatchable 24/7 power, so we will allow renewables to penetrate really deeply in our electricity system," he said.

Frog Lake's NET Power plant will generate 300 megawatts of electricity, and produce water for 15,000 households. The clean water is a waste product of the process.

Kanata says the project development is underway with construction expected to start in 2023 and power production to start by 2025.

"This announcement demonstrates Indigenous leadership in Canada's energy transition," said Frog Lake Chief Greg Desjarlais in a release.

"We are now developing net zero infrastructure that will demonstrate our leadership, addressing climate change using technology that will help decarbonize Canada's economy."

A 50-megawatt plant using the same technology is already in operation in La Porte, Texas. Four others in the United States and United Kingdom are also in development.
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[Guest]

Good article , interesting
Nice to see ,much better than casinos

[jazz]

Good article , interesting
Nice to see ,much better than casinos

Its a cbc article, so we know none of it is probably true.

A casino has a 10x better return than any renewable project.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

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Chuck made a joke.
Even funnier in light of the cbc thread that he hasn't acknowledged.

[chuckChuck]

That's all you got A5 when someone comes up with a net zero generation plant from fossil fuels?

I thought you said net zero and adequate electricity supplies are impossible?

[Guest]

Its a cbc article, so we know none of it is probably true.

A casino has a 10x better return than any renewable project.

i guess if you want your kids to work in one of those shitholes

[LEP]

That's all you got A5 when someone comes up with a net zero generation plant from fossil fuels?

I thought you said net zero and adequate electricity supplies are impossible?

Uhm, notice it isn't a solar project.

[shtferbrains]

Did you get your Ford Lightning ordered yet Chuck.
Give us a report when it comes in.

How long do you have to wait for delivery?
Can you apply for the rebate as soon as you cut the cheque or do the want the registration?
What is the rebate on a Lightning?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Sorry chuck, I didn't know you expected a serious reply to your post when you included that hilarious punchline at the end.
The non-scientific article is completely devoid of any useful details. But right off the bat they say the process requires combusting pure oxygen. But doesn't indicate where that oxygen will come from or how it is produced, or if the energy required to produce that pure oxygen is included in the net zero calculations. It requires a lot of energy to produce pure oxygen, so I expect
the electrical energy required to produce the oxygen is not included in the net zero calculations calculations. pure oxygen from air with current technology is about 420 kWh/t-O2 (ECRA, 2009).
I need to do some more research and I will get back to you on this.

[jazz]

The natives are being lead astray again. Instead of working with real resource companies to exploit their reserves of minerals and FF, they have now bought into another govt backed scheme that will end in failure.

Just like this Cowessess wind turbine and solar array. Array is always covered by snow and nobody can be bothered to clean it off, wind turbine is always down for some reason. Runs maybe 30% of the time. Probably cant afford the maintenance.

[Hamloc]

That's all you got A5 when someone comes up with a net zero generation plant from fossil fuels?

I thought you said net zero and adequate electricity supplies are impossible?

Hmmm, Integrity Farmer said fracked natural gas was a bad for the environment as coal, good to see you don’t agree with him. I certainly have no issue with clean dependable ways of generating electricity, just unreliable intermittent ones!

[Guest]

hope its right , nice to see them trying to progress, and using the old stable NG

[AlbertaFarmer5]

.the resulting CO2 recycled through a combustor, turbine, heat exchanger and compressor and then a miracle happens? The CO2 magically turns into fairy dust and disappears off the face of the Earth forever?
But no mention of what happens to the CO2 that would make it emissions free. It can't be recombined to make a hydrocarbon again because that would require more energy than you got out of it the first time.
So I looked up the details on the power plant in Laporte Texas mentioned in your article.
As it turns out, they haven't reinvented the laws of physics, or chemistry.
CO2 is captured and salable.
So the same amount of CO2 is produced. It will just be reused typically in the food industry. When you open your bottle of Pop or meat product, that CO2 will still be released. A market that is miniscule compared to the amount of CO2 we would be producing if every fossil fuel power plant were due capture their CO2 in this method and try to sell it. So it is very energy intensive, not scalable, and still requires natural gas which your comrades are against, as pointed out by hamloc.
But it sure sounds good in the CBC article.

[Guest]

.the resulting CO2 recycled through a combustor, turbine, heat exchanger and compressor and then a miracle happens? The CO2 magically turns into fairy dust and disappears off the face of the Earth forever?
But no mention of what happens to the CO2 that would make it emissions free. It can't be recombined to make a hydrocarbon again because that would require more energy than you got out of it the first time.
So I looked up the details on the power plant in Laporte Texas mentioned in your article.
As it turns out, they haven't reinvented the laws of physics, or chemistry.
CO2 is captured and salable.
So the same amount of CO2 is produced. It will just be reused typically in the food industry. When you open your bottle of Pop or meat product, that CO2 will still be released. A market that is miniscule compared to the amount of CO2 we would be producing if every fossil fuel power plant were due capture their CO2 in this method and try to sell it. So it is very energy intensive, not scalable, and still requires natural gas which your comrades are against, as pointed out by hamloc.
But it sure sounds good in the CBC article.

But no mention of what happens to the CO2 that would make it emissions free. It can't be recombined to make a hydrocarbon again because that would require more energy than you got out of it the first time.


doesn't matter as long as the wing nuts believe it does, and it uses NG
wished i was better in physics, marketing , etc. lol

[AlbertaFarmer5]

doesn't matter as long as the wing nuts believe it does, and it uses NG
wished i was better in physics, marketing , etc. lol

What is far more important, is that you ( along with most of the rest of us) are here to learn and to ask questions.

Unlike everyones favourite troll preacher, who already knows everything and has all the answers, and refuses to learn anything, just repeats the same mistakes over and over again.

That is what I enjoy about this platorm, and debating topics such as this, I get a chance to learn, either from posters more informed than I am, or from researching assinine proclamations from imbeciles who haven't got a clue.