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    Commodity vs Stock valuations

    I mentioned this in the 2020 Outlook that I posted a few years ago but it is becoming more relevant in the current environment and well worth considering again.

    One measure of the relative value of assets (when looking for warning signs or opportunities) is the value of Stocks vs commodities. A simple and important calculation is the S&P index divided by the Bloomberg Commodity Index (BCOM). It shows the valuation of companies compared to the commodities that many rely on to generate their profits.

    For historic perspective, the S&P was 17.3 times the BCOM index when the Dot Com bubble burst in January of 2000. On the other hand, when commodities peaked in June of 2008, the S&P was only 5.5 times the BCOM index. The S&P notched a new record high on Jan 4th over 4800 with the BCOM index slightly over 100. At a value of 48 times, it is clear why this is important to pay attention to.

    With interest rates rising in the very near future and central banks planning on removing some of the liquidity that helped push stocks higher, there are signs that a decline in the SP could be one way the situation corrects.

    More importantly to us, the other is commodities could gain significant value vs stocks. One only has to look at the energy sector for leadership. You can’t have the insanity of the world trying to convince capital markets to quite funding the fossil fuel industry without meaningful impacts. All of the green efforts will have one certain result – higher fuel costs. That will in turn help grain and oilseed demand at a time when droughts may become more common and severe. Meats and metals have bullish stories of their own, leaving it easy to see why Goldman Sachs is calling for a commodity super-cycle lasting the next decade.

    As I’ve mentioned in the past, in NO way is this a suggestion that one becomes complacent. Much the opposite. High values come with high volatility, increased opportunities and risk. This is for long term planning purposes only.

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    Interesting to see on Bloomberg this morning that spot nickel hit $24,000 a ton.

    This is going to grind the profit right out of the marginal stainless steel user.

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      #3
      Tech

      Just a question is there a reason Canadian banks are currently doing so much better than the majority of USA banks in stock value right now.

      I have know our Canadian Banks are more solvent but are there other reasons in your opinion?

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        #4
        I'm afraid I can't help you with that.

        I try to focus my attention on commodity markets (including stock indexes) given the amount of information there alone.

        I decided long ago I wouldn't have the time to properly follow individual stocks as well as commodities and do a good job of everything. So I leave that to the professionals in the field.

        Sorry...

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          #5
          Originally posted by foragefarmer View Post
          Tech

          Just a question is there a reason Canadian banks are currently doing so much better than the majority of USA banks in stock value right now.

          I have know our Canadian Banks are more solvent but are there other reasons in your opinion?
          not an expert, just a casual reader of financial forums etc. I would guess three things that have a lot to do with it: a) more regulations in Canada protect the banks from themselves accepting too much risk b) low, low competition in canada, we very much have an oligopoly allowing them to profit more c) covid supports (CERB, etc)

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            #6
            Originally posted by Marusko View Post
            not an expert, just a casual reader of financial forums etc. I would guess three things that have a lot to do with it: a) more regulations in Canada protect the banks from themselves accepting too much risk b) low, low competition in canada, we very much have an oligopoly allowing them to profit more c) covid supports (CERB, etc)
            I was thinking A and B but never considered C.

            The Big Five are at near record highs with great dividends. Pretty hard parking your money anywhere else right now.

            Thank you and Tech

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              #7
              With interest rates very low, the stock market is the only game in town. There are very few other options to beat the price of inflation.

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                #8
                Here's another thought, wonder if the banks have drummed up extra business due to COVID. Would be interesting to know if there were a lot more operating loans and such created during the pandemic that they are raking in more interest on. Boom in real estate certainly contributed plenty of mortgage dollars (and subsequently, interest income) to lenders.

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