Canadian Health Care Needs Revamp

[blackpowder]

Gee, Chuck being particularly arrogant and dismissive today. Hangry??
Closed minds the first problem buddy.
You are definitely one part of the problem.
It's not a money problem first.
It's a culture issue. Society could educate. Holistic vision rather than disease based patch and weld model.
Once society mindset changes govt will follow.
Definitely a command and control issue. Hampered by societal lack of responsibility by the individual in the workforce. And the patient.
Unions
Doctors who can't work at will.
Doctors who can't run a professional corp and think like entrepreneurs. Think dentists or optometrists for eg. No shortage there.
Friend was losing 10lbs a month waiting for a scope. Her doctors wouldn't go outside their hospital, budget filled first two weeks of every month. Waited 3 months with potential 3 more coming. One call to MLA and voila, unused small hospital scope available the next Monday.
Blue Cross. Foot warts covered but psychology not? Psychiatrists through AHS only with GP referral. More billing....
CYA hoops and legislation that ties up 50%!!! of some professionals time on paperwork. No bull. My son's psychologist is originally from England and he's contemplating changing professions. Claims we're 50 years behind.
$500 legal just to get a copy of my son's med records from one! doctor.
Equipment supply so regulated kitchen freezers cost $100k.
More budget for a broken model just equals a bigger broken model.
Common sense has left the building long ago.
Leaders focused on re election can never make the hard changes.
Perhaps an Eisenhower with supreme command of the ministry.
It's not a wage issue at all. 25% wage increase for a 40% productivity increase very cheap.

My 82 yr old farmer neighbor, who was international sales for Pfizer for years and has sat on health boards in the province would approve of this message.

So tell us Chuck. By doing nothing more but increasing the budget by 50%, how will that solve the problem long term?
And what is so unique about Canada that no other health system structure but exactly the one we have now, will ever work??? Answer? Mirror.

[Retired]

The education system is one of the largest problems. In the 80s my daughter started a nursing course it was a 2 yr program but now its 4 yr and the reason is the academics dont want to speed things along,just looking after there own jobs,courses are poorly aligned so you have months between the ones you need.
We have been in this pandemic for 2 yr now , we could have trained many new nurses but the union dont want more because that would reduce their clout at bargaining time. And yes paper work is a big problem ,and yet we dont sue near as much as they do in the excited states so mabey all this documentation isnt necessary.

[chuckChuck]

"Nurses are in high demand around the world and no place really has anywhere near the number of trained professionals to meet that demand. Nor is it a surprise. Governments, hospitals, and nurses themselves have known this moment was coming for a long time.

As Patty Winsa reports in the article, “As far back as 2009, the Canadian Nurses Organization predicted that the shortfall would reach 60,000 by 2022.” A shortage of 123,000 nurses expected by 2030 was highlighted in a Health Workforce Australia report as early as 2014 and again in a Deloitte report in 2018. The UK National Health Service identified 94,000 vacancies in its healthcare workforce. The 2017 US Registered Nurse Workforce Report Card estimated an RN shortage of over 500,000 by 2030."

Healthcare management is largely a provincial responsibility. So it is pretty clear that a shortage of healthcare workers is occurring in a variety of healthcare systems around the world and its not unique to Canada because of our government funded healthcare system.

[riders2010]

Why is the Sask party bringing in all of
These foreign doctors and not making it
Easier for our own kids to enter the medical
Profession? 8 years for doctor and dentist 4 for nurse
Etc????? Farm kids have to pay extra room and board
That city kids and certain other groups
That do not. Many farm kids with hood marks
Cannot afford to pay 8 years of rent and travel
Expense. Not all but many of those foreigners have
Been proven not qualified????

This year and last kids from rural areas were left
In limbo with no commitment if classes were in
Person or not right up until classes started.
So to make things worse than
They should have been in person had been cancelled
Except for maybe 1 class etc. so kids are
Sitting there paying rent and taking classes
In line??????

Absolute disadvantage for rural kids. This
Needs to change.
Instead of giving bonuses for foreign people why
Not even the playing field for rural kids?

[sawfly1]

The reason we want socialized medicine is simple. Listen to American hospital billings all over the internet.
An iv saline bag that cost 7$ should be charged out at 7$ plus hospital and nursing costs, that might make it 50$ .
Compared to 950$ in the US.
The US spends 50% more per person in Healthcare and still leaves people out.

[burnt]

The reason we want socialized medicine is simple. Listen to American hospital billings all over the internet.
An iv saline bag that cost 7$ should be charged out at 7$ plus hospital and nursing costs, that might make it 50$ .
Compared to 950$ in the US.
The US spends 50% more per person in Healthcare and still leaves people out.

Please provide evidence that support your claims.

When speaking with people have worked in both systems, our system doesn't stack up nearly as well as claimed.

While it has the appearance of serving us better, there are many who fall through the cracks here as well.

And our system has far more waste and over-management than the US system will allow since theirs is market driven.

Neither system is perfect.

[chuckChuck]

There are not enough spaces to train nurses and doctors because most provinces and especially the Conservative ones want to cut funding for post secondary education.

We have known about the demographic bubble of the baby boomers for a long time. Many already retired and now requiring lots of healthcare services and fewer workers.

If you want more homegrown doctors and nurses create more training spaces and incentives to get students through the programs and back working in rural areas.

The provinces and the feds have to make this a priority.

But I know many of you fiscal conservatives care more about low taxes than good health care. That is until you need it yourself and its not there.

[blackpowder]

You mean like all the nurses that went south to work after graduation?

[chuckChuck]

Please provide evidence that support your claims.

When speaking with people have worked in both systems, our system doesn't stack up nearly as well as claimed.

While it has the appearance of serving us better, there are many who fall through the cracks here as well.

And our system has far more waste and over-management than the US system will allow since theirs is market driven.

Neither system is perfect.

Bullshite again! As a percentage of GDP the US systems costs way more 16.8 % vs Canada's 10.8%. And there system doesn't provide universal coverage. Canada's system costs are more in line with European nations and Japan.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/268826/health-expenditure-as-gdp-percentage-in-oecd-countries/

Health expenditure as a percentage of gross domestic product (GDP) in selected countries in 2019



Can we improve it. Certainly.

[blackjack]

The nurses and teachers have had for years a set quota for hiring by the unions….quit trying to bull crap the crowd chuck chuck.

[chuckChuck]

That's a laugh show us the proof of the quotas!

If the SHA and School Boards want to hire more staff do you really think the unions tell them no! LOL

They are constrained by budgets.

[fcr]

When we were in Vegas a couple of years ago the wife felt ill . Three hours at the hospital with an X-ray and a little bloodwork cost 17000.Thank god for blue cross.They wouldn’t look at her without first handing over a credit card . It’s no wonder their doctors and nurses are better paid than in Canada.