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    Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    Dlm, a question.
    Since we live in a democracy with freedom of speech, do you think there is such a thing as an unacceptable view? And do you think the prime ministers comment in any way helped to unite the country against this Fringe minority group?
    And if there is such a thing as an unacceptable view, who gets to decide that?
    Is it fixed in time, or does that evolve as society evolves?
    Ah, a philosophical question for which there is no right or wrong answer but which is sure to inflame. But I will give you my opinion.

    A person cannot yell fire in a crowded theatre if there is no fire in spite of freedom of speech.

    That said everyone has the right in a democratic society to hold differing views and express those views even if others find those views to be morally or socially unacceptable.

    And what is unacceptable changes over time as society changes. I believe J A McDonald felt residential schools were helping the FN people and an integration of FN into mainstream society when he endorsed those schools. I doubt he seen them as cultural genocide. Most of the world see Sharia law as barbaric yet there are many in the world who believe in it. Much of the middle east have moved away from pure Sharia law yet groups like ISIS and the Taliban seek to reimpose it by force if necessary.

    When you have to impose a view on others by force is when it becomes unacceptable. Which brings us to now. Most (but not all including some people on here) understand that Covid was a new dangerous virus and steps have been taken around the world to slow the spread of the virus; mostly in an attempt to prevent the health care systems of nations. Steps ranged from mandatory vaccines in Austria, to welding the doors shut on people in China, to total lockdowns in New Zealand for a single case, to giving out free Covid kits in Brazil. And now, with the benefit of hindsight we can see results of the different strategies around the world. Canada or more specifically each province in Canada came up with a range of rules, some totally idiotic in my opinion. Where they were stupid I expressed that opinion to people in my province who have the power to consider my input, not on some farm forum. Regardless, I lived by them. I do not blame businesses for requiring masks if the province they are in has made them mandatory and will follow that requirement. Before Covid, if a restraunet required a tie, I wore a tie. No shirt no shoes no service no problem. A business can do what they want and I respect that if I want to patronize them.

    Canada never forced everyone to be vaccinated. That is a personal choice, and I respect that choice. Canada did say unvaccinated could not do some things so that is the choice you make by not being vaccinated. Even if the mandates for vaccines were lifted to cross the border, the US has exactly the same mandate so you still can't cross if they were lifted in Canada. When faced with a highly communicable disease, the risk to society must be considered as well as the risk to the individual. That is why small pox vaccines were made mandatory until smallpox was eliminated. YOu have the freedom to accept the vaccine or live with the restrictions in place for now. Restrictions which I predicted from day one would last 2 years. Everyone is tired of them, whether you are vaccinated or not. But they will be lifted as soon as hospitals are no longer overrun and I think it will be this spring/summer. regardless if blockades had happened

    But I digress. To your last point, Trudeau is an idiot but if you respect democracy, he is PM until he is voted out. He could have handled this mess much better as could most premiers. It has already cost O'toole his job and will cost Kenney his. maybe Ford. Unfortunately, everyone is so focused on themselves instead of society, no credible alternative that looks at Canada as a society instead of individuals, offers a candidate with a vision and leadership to defeat Trudeau. Running a campaign of Trudeau is bad so elect me will never work.

    Final point I will make. With any freedom comes responsibility. Easy to demand freedom, harder to be held personally responsible when your freedom you seek overrides the freedom of of others.

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      Originally posted by tweety View Post
      I'm not the one sitting in a truck knowing full well with hospitals at highest level of patients since the pandemic begin asking to make it worse isn't going to happen.

      Yes, my extreme views that 10% of the population is clueless and only because they are white they are getting away with it for longer then anyone else is normal across Canada.
      Sure maybe it’s because it’s white folks there but white people make up 75% of the population. What percentage of the truckers are white 70%? Oh no you assumed 60% are from the sub continent. For god sakes how do you hope to have any credibility continuously throwing the race card and making incorrect assumptions? It’s like the religious wakkos and ignorant thugs who assumed lgbtq were pushing the gay agenda on their children and forced reprisals upon members of the community. Gay people being thrown from the towers in the Islamic world, burnt at the stake with little “******s” (burning pieces of wood) in medieval France. All because of bs assumptions and fears. I doesn’t hurt for us all to open our minds and see both sides or you end up being what you hate.

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        Originally posted by jwab
        Society looks focused on society!!!

        Smallpox is a different animal.

        Take your self professed drivel somewhere else dml.
        jwab, I am going to come to dml's defense here, and call you out for insulting his efforts.

        He took the time to answer my question, thoughtfully and completely, without name calling and insults. You don't have to agree with his opinion, to appreciate his right to have an opinion and share it publicly.

        Please don't scare off the only rational poster here who is willing to take the other side of the debate.

        Compare his post, to one of Chuck's latest classless embarassments:
        So you wouldn't mind if she died alone from dehydration in her shitty diaper after days of no food and water? Reply With Quote In response to blackjack's post about his 92 year old mother.

        Or the hatred and insults that fills every post from Forage or agstar, or the incomprehensible drunken ramblings of big wheel. Lets not scare away the only voice of reason we have to debate with.

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          So basically dmls exposition can be summed up as trust the govt, I do, why cant you.

          Sorry dml, I dont and especially after all the covid lies. And a guy that got 18% of the vote in a pandemic is not a legitimate PM. And since our votes dont count, maybe this will.

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            Originally posted by tweety View Post
            I'm not the one sitting in a truck knowing full well with hospitals at highest level of patients since the pandemic begin asking to make it worse isn't going to happen.
            Tell me the vaccine doesn't work, without telling me the vaccine doesn't work.

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              Originally posted by jwab
              You obviously haven’t noticed this is a know it all type, it’s not a factual answer.

              Definitely not a voice of reason, but I guess he’s got you fooled.

              He might be more refined than Chuck but it’s cut from the same cloth.
              You don’t take a stand on anything, just why is that, are you afraid of the fire?
              Tippy toeing around people may make you lots of friends but you’ll have no real friends.
              I'm here for a debate and for entertainment. I don't think I am going to change the world, or change anyones mind. I will choose the thoughtful exchange above over the insulting, flat earth, diaper, LOL comments of the usual juvenile left wing posters on here.

              But I will stand up for their right to freedom of speech. Just like I stan for the truckers rights to freedom of speech and freedom to work.

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                Originally posted by dmlfarmer View Post
                .

                And what is unacceptable changes over time as society changes. I believe J A McDonald felt residential schools were helping the FN people and an integration of FN into mainstream society when he endorsed those schools. I doubt he seen them as cultural genocide.

                Canada never forced everyone to be vaccinated. That is a personal choice...
                A couple of thoughts.
                Where was your outrage when the statues of John A were being destroyed by violent thug protesters? I think we both agree that we can't judge him by the values of the present day. Yet you are out in force against these protesters?

                Second. If chosing between getting vaccinated, and keeping your job isn't forced, then what is?

                A neighbor lady, middle aged, non confrontational, not a conspiracy theorist or political radical, was told by her own doctor to not get the vaccine under any circumstances, due to a rare blood disorder she has. Her employer, the government, would not accept any excuses, get vaccinated or lose your job, which she could not afford to do. And there were consequences.
                Last edited by AlbertaFarmer5; Feb 3, 2022, 16:50.

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                  Originally posted by jwab
                  You obviously haven’t noticed this is a know it all type, it’s not a factual answer.

                  Definitely not a voice of reason, but I guess he’s got you fooled.

                  He might be more refined than Chuck but it’s cut from the same cloth.
                  You don’t take a stand on anything, just why is that, are you afraid of the fire?
                  Tippy toeing around people may make you lots of friends but you’ll have no real friends.
                  So Jwab you do read what I post.

                  "Tippy toeing"

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                    Our neighbour is an RN and not vaccinated(her choice). She works in the ER in a city hospital and also helps at vaccanation clinics.She has never had any issues with her employer,this is in Saskatchewan.

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                      Originally posted by caseih View Post
                      or train tracks , or co-op cardlocks, or refineries , etc. ,etc., etc.
                      There was no mention of the coop superb fuel tanker that burnt to the ground intentionally

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                        Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
                        A couple of thoughts.
                        Where was your outrage when the statues of John A were being destroyed by violent thug protesters? I think we both agree that we can't judge him by the values of the present day. Yet you are out in force against these protesters?

                        Second. If chosing between getting vaccinated, and keeping your job isn't forced, then what is?

                        A neighbor lady, middle aged, non confrontational, not a conspiracy theorist or political radical, was told by her own doctor to not get the vaccine under any circumstances, due to a rare blood disorder she has. Her employer, the government, would not accept any excuses, get vaccinated or lose your job, which she could not afford to do. And there were consequences.
                        I am aware of 4 people that had consequences and I don't have a large circle of acquaintances

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                          What really struck me today when Moe made his announcement today was that he kept the vaccine mandate.

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