When should blockades should be supported?

[dmlfarmer]

Can those in support of the current trucker blockades please tell me if these blockades should have been allowed or shut down and how you come to that decision.

The BC rail blockades started as blockades on reserve land and extended to lands which are still in dispute by unsettled land claims so they blocked rail service where tracks ran through those lands. Is there a different in stopping trains carrying goods than trucks and vehicles stopping good?

The Tyendinaga Mohawk rail blockades happened on reserve lands in eastern Canada. Same question as above?

Many of the KXL pipeline protests happened both on native lands and privately owned lands where the easements came by the way of eminent domain. Are pipelines blockades not okay even where where easements for crossing are granted by courts rather than negotiation with landowners?

In 2019 6o animal rights protestors blockaded a turkey barn in southern Alberta because of animal cruelty concerns. Most Canadians probably are opposed to animal cruelty so should protestors have the right to blockade a barn if they believe CFOs are animal cruelty?

Same year busloads of vegans protested at a hog farm in BC. If they lots of Canadians are against eating meat, should they be allowed to blockade a hog farm, or block access to meat packers?

And a hypothetical: Suppose this spring, emboldened by the freedom protestors, some protest group takes issue with farming practices. Just for laughs, lets say they are climate change fanatics and decide fertilizers are contributing to global warming and blockades NH3 unloading sites. Since lots of Canadians worry about climate change, should highway blockades in front of farm input suppliers be allowed? For how long should they be allowed to block movement of fertilizer? Until they get the government to ban fertilizer or place high taxes on fertilizers? Or if the public blockades the flow of diesel fuel in the spring or fall because of climate change concerns should farmers expect it to be ended, or are you willing to put up with that blockade seeing as it has some public support.

If the protestors of a cause claim it has public support, should blockades over that cause be allowed from now on? Where do you draw the line? Level of support? Or if it impacts you personally? Because if this protest is allowed to go until the protestors get what they want we will see many more.

[WiltonRanch]

You have alluded to this before and it is a conundrum. Think what differentiates the current Ottawa occupation is that it has transcended the vaccine and Covid bs to a catch all for people pissed off with where this country is headed and the dipshits at the helm. This is bigger than some tree huggers or pissed off natives.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I will answer.
As soon as all of the protest groups that you listed become contributing members of society, performing some vital function that society cannot survive without, and they use that power to capture the attention of the rest of society to their cause, then I say more power to them.

[jazz]

You really need to ask that question dml? So the answer is, when the future of your country, your liberties and your childrens futures are at risk. My children deserve to live in a country that respects individual rights and freedoms. Period.

No other protest in Canadian history has risen to that standard. They were all about some perceived grievances or fake climate scare. What we see now is real and affects everyone and every coming generation.

if its not stopped here, then its over.

If the govt can confiscate gofundme money, whats to stop them from imposing similar penalties on anyone.

Real question, are you blind to whats happening?

[blackpowder]

DML asks some very good questions that deserve sober thought. I've been thinking about these things as well lately.
Big constitutional and civil precedence here. I won't speak to.
When does a protest become a blockade?
Maybe one should be defended and the other never allowed by anyone. We are all supposed to be equal after all.
Of course that would require a govt with spine.

[Herc]

Vegans protesting a hog operation….To me the only way I would support such a protest was if the hog barn forced them to eat bacon.

Hopefully that lit up ur lightbulb…

[shtferbrains]

Vegans protesting a hog operation….To me the only way I would support such a protest was if the hog barn forced them to eat bacon.

Hopefully that lit up ur lightbulb…

Don't think they would fair to well at an NH3 dispensing facility.
Everone knows not to stand downwind.
A little never hurts you but you don't stand there.

[Herc]

Don't think they would fair to well at an NH3 dispensing facility.
Everone knows not to stand downwind.
A little never hurts you but you don't stand there.

Freshly spread manure would get rid of them in a hurry too at the hog barn….

[shtferbrains]

Not getting much love on that one DML.

[jazz]

Not getting much love on that one DML.

it has to be a blockade because that has leverage. The health care workers tried to stand up to the mandates, they got fired and Trudeau brought in TFWs to replace them.

He cant do that with a border crossing

In the 70s and 80s general strikers shut down Britain and chased communism out of Poland. If the cause is just...

dml you cant rationalize the protests because you still think this is about a virus.

[blackpowder]

You're also right Jazz. But then you have to allow First Nations to stop rail traffic indefinitely.
Or again, have a govt fix the problem so they're happy.
Course then blockades may never stop. Imagine unions appetite for more.
Not even sure Solidarity used blockades.
You can't have mob rule and if you think the economy crap now look at Poland in the early 80s when the govt was paralyzed.

[TOM4CWB]

Using the term mob rule isn’t appropriate when that’s exactly what we have already, more accurately it could be called a cartel.

This convoy of concerned people resembles a STR1KE by workers and supporters ... therefore much different than a 'blockade' of railway tracks no where near a disputed territory like the natives have done in their protests over pipelines etc. Since Parliament is PM Trudeau's seat of authority... and he is speaking as the authority who claims responsibility for border restrictions ... both border crossings and Ottawa are legitimate and logical 'strike' protest points... no different than picket lines outside a factory with workers on strike.

This is legitimate democratic demonstration against very questionable if not illegal vaccine mandate... as a negative covid result does not release the citizen... let alone previously only a health normal body temperature check that provided access for well over a year previously as an essential worker.

No scientific change involved in Trudeau's new Jan 15/22 border vax mandate... if anything the science disputes tightening the vaccine mandate as triple jabbed vaxed can be sick, and be asymptomatic spreaders, more susceptible to covid infection than those with natural immunity according to the CDC,and the science.

This is vengeful mean spirited government overreach that PM Trudeau and his drones are spitefully punishing innocent Canadian Citizens with no purpose, or legal authority.

[burnt]

This convoy of concerned people resembles a STR1KE by workers and supporters ... therefore much different than a 'blockade' of railway tracks no where near a disputed territory like the natives have done in their protests over pipelines etc. Since Parliament is PM Trudeau's seat of authority... and he is speaking as the authority who claims responsibility for border restrictions ... both border crossings and Ottawa are legitimate and logical 'strike' protest points... no different than picket lines outside a factory with workers on strike.

This is legitimate democratic demonstration against very questionable if not illegal vaccine mandate... as a negative covid result does not release the citizen... let alone previously only a health normal body temperature check that provided access for well over a year previously as an essential worker.

No scientific change involved in Trudeau's new Jan 15/22 border vax mandate... if anything the science disputes tightening the vaccine mandate as triple jabbed vaxed can be sick, and be asymptomatic spreaders, more susceptible to covid infection than those with natural immunity according to the CDC,and the science.

This is vengeful mean spirited government overreach that PM Trudeau and his drones are spitefully punishing innocent Canadian Citizens with no purpose, or legal authority.

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[chuckChuck]

DML raises a very good question.

Do you want every protest or political movement outside of democratically elected governments that has a grievance whether legitimate or not be allowed to shut down what ever they want without serious repercussions and accountability?

Either you support the rule of law and equal reasonable application as much as possible with changes coming through the democratic process or you invite more chaos.

[furrowtickler]

DML raises a very good question.

Do you want every protest or political movement outside of democratically elected governments that has a grievance whether legitimate or not be allowed to shut down what ever they want without serious repercussions and accountability?

Either you support the rule of law and equal reasonable application as much as possible with changes coming through the democratic process or you invite more chaos.

What’s you take on the NYC municipal workers protest ?