Ford, Toyota and now GM halt production as trucker blockade chokes off parts

[Guest]

I readily admit that I am not the protesting type. During the flood years I always felt direct access to govt ministers was more effective to effect change. Lobbying always has had a place in a democracy. When Trudeau is steadfastly refusing to have any dialogue, he has created the situation we are now in. The protestors are now prepared I would expect to become martyr's if and when the police or military goes in. Who is going to be the winner then? Ya all people want a resolution but until the federal govt changes the way they have reacted to all of this I expect that for each protest site that is shut down a couple other sites will pop up. The suggestion by the Liberals that the Conservatives can and have the power to make the protests end is ridiculous. I would expect each protest to have some sort of boss but there is no unified leadership beyond the original fundraising crew. I would admit that seeing auto plants and packing plants shut down is a bad thing. Until Trudeau "man's up" (not a politically correct term anyway I know) and faces this thing properly and personally it's going to be a shit show.

no worries james
you can say "man up" again
divisive politics died a horrible death in the last 2 weeks

[bucket]

Less than a week ago the Froto we have as a federal transport minister said there were no problems with the supply chain and the enemy is covid.

Now if businesses were paying attention to their supply chains they maybe should not have stuck to " just in time" deliveries when they seen what was going on.

Plus the fact that there has been a trucker shortage for a very long time.

The east seen what happened at Coutts , surely to christ these executives are not that stupid to think they are immune.

Now this sentence is important ...

The Auto sector will be accessing the lockdown money from bill C2 that was just passed prior to Christmas .

[dmlfarmer]

I readily admit that I am not the protesting type. During the flood years I always felt direct access to govt ministers was more effective to effect change. Lobbying always has had a place in a democracy. When Trudeau is steadfastly refusing to have any dialogue, he has created the situation we are now in. The protestors are now prepared I would expect to become martyr's if and when the police or military goes in. Who is going to be the winner then? Ya all people want a resolution but until the federal govt changes the way they have reacted to all of this I expect that for each protest site that is shut down a couple other sites will pop up. The suggestion by the Liberals that the Conservatives can and have the power to make the protests end is ridiculous. I would expect each protest to have some sort of boss but there is no unified leadership beyond the original fundraising crew. I would admit that seeing auto plants and packing plants shut down is a bad thing. Until Trudeau "man's up" (not a politically correct term anyway I know) and faces this thing properly and personally it's going to be a shit show.

James: Who should Trudeau be negotiating with? Who is the supreme leader of multiple different groups? And if one group of posters disagree with a negotiated settlement, do they have the right to continue even if there is an agreement with another group?
And what is the demand? It started out as a vaccine mandate for truckers. That has ended in Alberta but Coutts protestors say not enough for them to leave so what exactly will end this as far as the protestors are concerned? Is there any demand short of the fall of the current government that protestors will acceopt? If not then this is an economic coup attempting an overthrown of a democratically elected government.

[bucket]

I think if Trudeau resigned it would be over.

No one person is more important than the greater good of the country.

Trudeau is technically a dictator. He isn't listening to his own MPs.

[chuckChuck]

Its the Trump influence heading north when a few people want to overturn a democratically elected government.

Trump still thinks he won the election and all the Republican states that turned against him were stolen because of electoral fraud.

He couldn't even twist the arm of Republican officials to lie. And he incited a mob to hang vice president pence and kill other representatives.

[dmlfarmer]

I think if Trudeau resigned it would be over.

No one person is more important than the greater good of the country.

Trudeau is technically a dictator. He isn't listening to his own MPs.

And IF an election was called, and IF the Liberals won, and IF Trudeau was still the leader would the protestors respect the results then or would they simply rinse and repeat?

[jazz]

And IF an election was called, and IF the Liberals won, and IF Trudeau was still the leader would the protestors respect the results then or would they simply rinse and repeat?

That depends if he gets more than 18% of the vote this time.

i think they would be wise to pull out , myself
trudeau is done , that is a momentous achievement

Trudeau has been carried through scandal before using corrupt intisutions and the media. Too soon to let up now.

Lets see what this weekend brings. New protest in Toronto. I am sure they are happy as a clam to be locked down still while other provinces opened up.

chuck os such a flaming hypocrite. The patch has survived 6 years of attacks from Trudeau and the auto industry cant last 3 days without parts. LOL I love it.

[Sheepwheat]

And IF an election was called, and IF the Liberals won, and IF Trudeau was still the leader would the protestors respect the results then or would they simply rinse and repeat?

Popular vote win too this time? Support outside the three or four geographically minuscule urban strongholds? These strongholds rule the rest of us. I think the rest of us deserve a turn to impose on them for once. They may even enjoy no carbon tax!

[bucket]

And IF an election was called, and IF the Liberals won, and IF Trudeau was still the leader would the protestors respect the results then or would they simply rinse and repeat?

It would depend if elections canada counted all the votes, or even sent out the ballots in time.

The latest report report says they missed close to 200000 votes. too bad so sad was the response from elections Canada.

While it really is insignificant in western Canada , in the east it can turn seat results.

[jensend]

Popular vote win too this time? Support outside the three or four geographically minuscule urban strongholds? These strongholds rule the rest of us. I think the rest of us deserve a turn to impose on them for once. They may even enjoy no carbon tax!

So how do you get that? An American type of Senate? You can complain forever but without a solution there's no point.

[Guest]

And IF an election was called, and IF the Liberals won, and IF Trudeau was still the leader would the protestors respect the results then or would they simply rinse and repeat?

trudeau brought this on himself , nothing to do with us
if they were stupid enough to let him run , well that hypothetical , well thats just funny!

[jamesb]

James: Who should Trudeau be negotiating with? Who is the supreme leader of multiple different groups? And if one group of posters disagree with a negotiated settlement, do they have the right to continue even if there is an agreement with another group?
And what is the demand? It started out as a vaccine mandate for truckers. That has ended in Alberta but Coutts protestors say not enough for them to leave so what exactly will end this as far as the protestors are concerned? Is there any demand short of the fall of the current government that protestors will acceopt? If not then this is an economic coup attempting an overthrown of a democratically elected government.

A real leader could say to the Ottawa people: Ok guys you pick 6 people to come into a meeting. Hear their issues personally, show that he listened. On my time years ago on our local RM council I got some good advice from an older friend. 1. Listen to concerns. 2. Don't promise things you won't or can't deliver.
What I saw from those days is that for many people with a gripe, they knew they probably were not going to get their way but the fact they were not ignored and were listen to, smoothed the water a lot. Beyond the west we are seeing leadership now in places like Quebec acknowledging that change in the covid response is needed. IMO until Trudeau changes his tune it's going to be a shit show. I find the Liberal mp voices starting to be heard in their disagreement with Trudeau very telling and I believe for every mp that has the courage to speak up there is probably lots that feel the same.
The anger and concern that the protests are going too far with factory shutdowns is not going to swing public support of continued covid restrictions. They are just going to be mad at the truckers and the powers that be that won't deal with this properly.

[bucket]

If truckers are called terrorists but your " just in time" delivery relies on them, it seems someone had better rethink the way business is done.

2 phucking days and these plants are dead in the water. yikes.

Farmers are told to buy inputs 6 months in advance for the next year.

And a guy hasn't been able to buy a truck without ordering it for a year now. Nothing on the lots that isn't sold pre arrival.

[chuckChuck]

Some people have very short memories.

The world oil price fell starting in 2014 while Harper was still Prime Minster. It continued lower as China's rapid growth declined and other economies followed suit. Then covid hit and the most of the world was locked down causing even lower prices.

How low world prices are the fault of Trudeau needs an explanation. Does Canada control the world price of oil? Did Canada cause the US to increase its own production to high levels? Did Trudeau stopp all pipelines and expansions. Hell no he bought TMX for just that purpose.

Of course when the boom turns to bust in Alberta because of low oil prices, it is always a politicians fault in the minds of a few western separatists and other mal contents.

[jazz]

Well Trudeau better do something fast. They just blocked a Ottawa airport this am.

Some people have very short memories..

You have a toddler level understanding of our energy industry.