Ford, Toyota and now GM halt production as trucker blockade chokes off parts

[jensend]

Popular vote win too this time? Support outside the three or four geographically minuscule urban strongholds? These strongholds rule the rest of us. I think the rest of us deserve a turn to impose on them for once. They may even enjoy no carbon tax!

So how do you get that? An American type of Senate? You can complain forever but without a solution there's no point.

[Guest]

And IF an election was called, and IF the Liberals won, and IF Trudeau was still the leader would the protestors respect the results then or would they simply rinse and repeat?

trudeau brought this on himself , nothing to do with us
if they were stupid enough to let him run , well that hypothetical , well thats just funny!

[jamesb]

James: Who should Trudeau be negotiating with? Who is the supreme leader of multiple different groups? And if one group of posters disagree with a negotiated settlement, do they have the right to continue even if there is an agreement with another group?
And what is the demand? It started out as a vaccine mandate for truckers. That has ended in Alberta but Coutts protestors say not enough for them to leave so what exactly will end this as far as the protestors are concerned? Is there any demand short of the fall of the current government that protestors will acceopt? If not then this is an economic coup attempting an overthrown of a democratically elected government.

A real leader could say to the Ottawa people: Ok guys you pick 6 people to come into a meeting. Hear their issues personally, show that he listened. On my time years ago on our local RM council I got some good advice from an older friend. 1. Listen to concerns. 2. Don't promise things you won't or can't deliver.
What I saw from those days is that for many people with a gripe, they knew they probably were not going to get their way but the fact they were not ignored and were listen to, smoothed the water a lot. Beyond the west we are seeing leadership now in places like Quebec acknowledging that change in the covid response is needed. IMO until Trudeau changes his tune it's going to be a shit show. I find the Liberal mp voices starting to be heard in their disagreement with Trudeau very telling and I believe for every mp that has the courage to speak up there is probably lots that feel the same.
The anger and concern that the protests are going too far with factory shutdowns is not going to swing public support of continued covid restrictions. They are just going to be mad at the truckers and the powers that be that won't deal with this properly.

[bucket]

If truckers are called terrorists but your " just in time" delivery relies on them, it seems someone had better rethink the way business is done.

2 phucking days and these plants are dead in the water. yikes.

Farmers are told to buy inputs 6 months in advance for the next year.

And a guy hasn't been able to buy a truck without ordering it for a year now. Nothing on the lots that isn't sold pre arrival.

[chuckChuck]

Some people have very short memories.

The world oil price fell starting in 2014 while Harper was still Prime Minster. It continued lower as China's rapid growth declined and other economies followed suit. Then covid hit and the most of the world was locked down causing even lower prices.

How low world prices are the fault of Trudeau needs an explanation. Does Canada control the world price of oil? Did Canada cause the US to increase its own production to high levels? Did Trudeau stopp all pipelines and expansions. Hell no he bought TMX for just that purpose.

Of course when the boom turns to bust in Alberta because of low oil prices, it is always a politicians fault in the minds of a few western separatists and other mal contents.

[jazz]

Well Trudeau better do something fast. They just blocked a Ottawa airport this am.

Some people have very short memories..

You have a toddler level understanding of our energy industry.

[chuckChuck]

So we are going to govern the country with blockades now?

The protestors are quickly losing the little bit of support they have.

Most people are working and don't have time to protest like this. Who are these protestors who can take weeks off?

[chuckChuck]

Well Trudeau better do something fast. They just blocked a Ottawa airport this am.



You have a toddler level understanding of our energy industry.

I still know more than you! LOL

[dmlfarmer]

That depends if he gets more than 18% of the vote this time.

Cut the BS Jazz Your desperation is showing when you have to spin the results of an election to justify your position

FACT: The only people who can vote for Trudeau were those living in his riding in Quebec. In his riding he received 59% of the votes. The NDP candidate was second with 25% of the vote. The Conservative brought up the rear with just 5% of the vote.

Second, The Liberal party recieved 32.6% of the popular vote in last election. The Conservatives received 33.7%. Yes, the Conservatives won a higher percentage of the popular vote but neither received more than 50%. If you compare the popular votes on a left wing/right wing basis, the Left wing certainly outperformed the right wing

Third: None of the above matters because the parlimentary system in candidate is based on a riding system of electing the government. It all depends on who won the most seats and the Liberals won with 160 seats compared to the Conservatives with 116 seats so they formed the government

Finally, since the Liberals did not have a majority of seats, the opposition parties could have forced them out at any time if they did not agree with the direction the government was taking or felt they had more public support. None did, so here we are.

[Guest]

Its the Trump influence heading north when a few people want to overturn a democratically elected government.

Trump still thinks he won the election and all the Republican states that turned against him were stolen because of electoral fraud.

He couldn't even twist the arm of Republican officials to lie. And he incited a mob to hang vice president pence and kill other representatives.

pretty easier for a keyboard warrior like you to sit and criticize thousands of people who have lost their businesses in the last 2 years when the likes of costco , walmart , etc. have had a hay day

[Guest]

Cut the BS Jazz Your desperation is showing when you have to spin the results of an election to justify your position

FACT: The only people who can vote for Trudeau were those living in his riding in Quebec. In his riding he received 59% of the votes. The NDP candidate was second with 25% of the vote. The Conservative brought up the rear with just 5% of the vote.

Second, The Liberal party recieved 32.6% of the popular vote in last election. The Conservatives received 33.7%. Yes, the Conservatives won a higher percentage of the popular vote but neither received more than 50%. If you compare the popular votes on a left wing/right wing basis, the Left wing certainly outperformed the right wing

Third: None of the above matters because the parlimentary system in candidate is based on a riding system of electing the government. It all depends on who won the most seats and the Liberals won with 160 seats compared to the Conservatives with 116 seats so they formed the government

Finally, since the Liberals did not have a majority of seats, the opposition parties could have forced them out at any time if they did not agree with the direction the government was taking or felt they had more public support. None did, so here we are.

pretty easier for a keyboard warrior like you to sit and criticize thousands of people who have lost their businesses in the last 2 years when the likes of costco , walmart , etc. have had a hay day

[jazz]

Your desperation is showing when you have to spin the results of an election to justify your position.

I am just using math dml, and not covid math.

Only 60% of eligible voters voted in the last election and he won 31% of that. So whats that work out to? Plus we just found 200k uncounted votes.

He is an illegitimate PM. He does not have a mandate of any type.