Peter MacKay and Vern White: What's happening in Ottawa is not freedom, it’s anarchy

[bucket]

With respect what freedom have you given up?

With respect agstar77, because I want to keep this civil, I might not have lost any freedoms, but my choice to who I want to support. It may not be the convoy ,but, if it doesn't agree with Trudeau it will be under scrutiny .

Look the long story short is that Canada is under military law and finances are being scrutinized by government , everyone should be concerned because they can change the rules at their whim.

I am not trying to change your mind but the discussion has to be had if this is right or not. I don't think the EMA was required.

But I will cordially engage in this discussion with you..as it should be.

And sadly our conversation is the way the government should have approached this.

[agstar77]

Freedom has never been absoulute. If the protesters had behaved responsibly none of this would have been necessary. Once protesters began to act illegally the dye was cast. Police acted poorly in not enforcing laws sooner. The federal govt did not explain their actions properly and give a timeline to end all restrictions. There is lots of blame to go around but it is time to put an end to this before someone gets hurt. Having children in this is totally irresponsible. These people are putting their children in harm's way.

[WiltonRanch]

Freedom has never been absoulute. If the protesters had behaved responsibly none of this would have been necessary. Once protesters began to act illegally the dye was cast. Police acted poorly in not enforcing laws sooner. The federal govt did not explain their actions properly and give a timeline to end all restrictions. There is lots of blame to go around but it is time to put an end to this before someone gets hurt. Having children in this is totally irresponsible. These people are putting their children in harm's way.

Is agree with what you say. Freedom isn’t absolute but you better well strive for it. I think though you didn’t answer the meat of the question here.

[agstar77]

Is agree with what you say. Freedom isn’t absolute but you better well strive for it. I think though you didn’t answer the meat ofh the question here.

Using financial pressure to end this is preferable to the alternative. That is basically what is ordered. Go home peacefully or change your protest to a peaceful one without the intimidation of the local residents.

[blackpowder]

Freedom has never been absoulute. If the protesters had behaved responsibly none of this would have been necessary. Once protesters began to act illegally the dye was cast. Police acted poorly in not enforcing laws sooner. The federal govt did not explain their actions properly and give a timeline to end all restrictions. There is lots of blame to go around but it is time to put an end to this before someone gets hurt. Having children in this is totally irresponsible. These people are putting their children in harm's way.

I could agree on most points if the volume was turned down. I would suggest you're as guilty as most.
My breast pocket inference was arguably lame but vivid. It drove my point with less effort than comparing it to separate drinking fountains. Not at all to compare events. But to discuss consequences.
I will attempt more judicial comments so as not to inflame the hyper sensitive.
When you openly segregate you harden resolve. You create something visible to rally either way on.
The final %10-15 were never going. Eg. My hired man. Didn't trust, wasn't doing it. Post harvest employer provided a fake qr. He finally got his first shot a month ago to be able to take his kids out, and is now refusing anymore. I guess you can't win.
My son's friend, his family was never doing it.
How many minds did we change?

[tubs]

Using financial pressure to end this is preferable to the alternative. That is basically what is ordered. Go home peacefully or change your protest to a peaceful one without the intimidation of the local residents.

Protesters have been peacefull the police walking around with machine guns is intimidating the protesters. Mr Trudeau should check on his oath of office.

[WiltonRanch]

Watched the guy at Coutts he said they pulled out when cops came at them tacked up and the gun seizure in town they didn’t want to be associated with. Probably best move so as not to be associated with any violence like they said before. Easy enough to seize bank accounts and financial means of protesters but still doesn’t stop a movement. If the heart is willing the legs will follow. This is only the beginning. I’m prepared to see people I know jailed and face reprisal maybe even worse. I do not trust the subversive actions of our government and especially the federal police higher ups. Theory is now the load of stolen guns is going to be planted amongst trucks on parliament hill by agents. They are not above anything judging by past campaigns. I prefer law and order and do not like to see things crumble like they are but it rests solely on Trudeau and he seems to be fanning the flames and keeping with his narrative even if it means doing false flag operations. That is the true travesty of this mess. This will take years to recover from no matter which way it ends because confidence in this government and nation is eroded on the world stage. As it stands our leader looks like a third world despot and our industry looks to overburdened to invest in.