definition of emergency

[bucket]

It is interesting to for comments as to who to negotiate with...

The police had a good idea who the leaders were and they all essentially surrendered peacefully.

They asked for international mandates to end and at least a timeline.

Provinces had set timelines.

Other countries had started eliminated mandates to get back to normal.

And at the beginning I thought it was understood if we hit herd immunity of 80 percent , life would start to return to normal.

[binthere]

And that dml is why when your not happy with the service you ask to see the manager.get it.

[burnt]

Mediate with who?...

You admit in that line that there would have been room to hold discussion. A wiser man would have stopped right there.

Everything you said after that simply reinforces a commitment to mendacity and sophistry.

And you thus further implicate yourself as the same type of narcissistic personality as the Prime Dictator of this country - pointing the finger of blame to the innocent and wronged while absolving the abuser.

How noble of you, dmlfarmer.

If you really believe that discussion would have been the proper way forward - and any sane individual would concur - should it not have been the duty of a responsible leader to step up and ask for dialogue?

But no, the Sock Puppet totalitarian you follow chose to incite, deride, divide and ostracize peaceful protestors who are suddenly finding broad support among everyday, honest Canadians.

Did you get a thrill when the horse cop trampled the woman in the walker, dml?

[Retired]

You should send that speech to the cbc and the star, both masters of hateful misinformation.

I think you should be reporter for cbc I dont see any hate in my comments at all .If you have problems with my view on religion, I dont care what you want to believe ,but the younger generation isnt buying in to it and you cant win an election without them.

[agstar77]

You obviously missed my point.
CBC and the star painted everyone in the protest with the same brush.
Did you not say that’s wrong?

They are all there illegally , no difference. Some crazier than others.

[foragefarmer]

When you are suppose to haul a dec contract for canola and you can't haul it till January you must lose $100,000 dolars a day with that truck sitting there in the yard not working that day?
Or do you just go haul some wheat to another location?

Why didnt we see any pictures from the next crossing down the road.
I know a guy hauling US.
They just went to the next crossing. They didnt like it but who is so stupid to believe all that trade is lost?
Can you think or do you just parrot what you hear on CBC.

If the other crossings slowed it down it was because they were told to.
Any goverment that wanted to make it work would put extra people on.
But did they?

Yes it's that easy dispatching 100,000's of trucks through alternative border crossings. Very comparable to switching to wheat from canola for an individual farmer.

Funny the big Trucking companies didn't see it that way, but what would they know.

But if your okay with illegal blockades of a 100 or so protesters disrupting international trade with the USA, it's all good.

I truly hope that while your seeding this spring you don't have any break downs that require special parts to get going again only to hear the Dealership doesn't have it because of Illegal border blockades.

I mean this sincerely, I don't wish any hardship on a fellow farmer, and thanks for your reply.

AB5 has rode the fence as usual, or should I be using Tip Toed?


P.S. I did find it funny you called me a CBC parrot, but I'm curious as to how you knew what CBC is reporting on what's taking place in Ottawa.

[Hamloc]

Mediate with who? With the truckers from BC who started the convoy, whoever that was? With Lich who first started a fundraising campaign for truckers? With Barber/Sky/King or the dozens of others who jumped into and escalated this from an anti vax protest to ending all mandates to dissolving parliament and getting rid of Trudeau? And what is to be mediated on by the federal government? Provincial imposed mandates? Provincial responsibility of health care? The MOU that Canada Unity drew up as the basis for ending this? The position of most of the protestors that they will not leave until all their demands are met? Who is the spokesman that everyone in Ottawa as well as Coutts/Emerson/Sarnia/ and in cities across Canada would consider to be the leader and who would accept their mediation? There simply is no leadership to mediate with.

Interesting to note that the provincial leaders who imposed mandates did not meet with protestors either. Kenney did not meet or mediate with Coutts Protestors, Ford did not meet or negotiate with Sarnia protestors, Stefanson did not meet with Emerson protestors. Hell you go back and you will see that Harper did not meet with the idle no more protestors either. He did agree to meet with FN chiefs but that happened after the protests ended, weeks after the protest started, and none of the chielfs were involved in the actual protests

Dml enough with the obfuscation, the match that lit the fire was Justin Trudeau’s vaccine mandate on cross border truckers. Then instead of trying to lower the temperature he poured gasoline on the fire with his statements attacking the demonstrators and those who supported them. The people along the roads and on overpasses cheering as the convoy passed weren’t white supremacists or racists they were people fed up with vaccine mandates. A young couple that live 25 mins. from me loaded up their 3 kids 6 and under and drove all the way from Alberta to Ottawa to participate in the first weekend demonstration not because they wanted to overthrow the government but because they wanted mandates to end.

Now I am certainly not naive, there certainly was some off the wall types that embedded themselves in this demonstration, but the EMA wasn’t necessary just competent policing. I posted for you what Chris Barber was charged with, you didn’t respond, the fact was these charges existed in the existing criminal code, the EMA wasn’t necessary for these charges to be laid!!

[agstar77]

Dml enough with the obfuscation, the match that lit the fire was Justin Trudeau’s vaccine mandate on cross border truckers. Then instead of trying to lower the temperature he poured gasoline on the fire with his statements attacking the demonstrators and those who supported them. The people along the roads and on overpasses cheering as the convoy passed weren’t white supremacists or racists they were people fed up with vaccine mandates. A young couple that live 25 mins. from me loaded up their 3 kids 6 and under and drove all the way from Alberta to Ottawa to participate in the first weekend demonstration not because they wanted to overthrow the government but because they wanted mandates to end.

Now I am certainly not naive, there certainly was some off the wall types that embedded themselves in this demonstration, but the EMA wasn’t necessary just competent policing. I posted for you what Chris Barber was charged with, you didn’t respond, the fact was these charges existed in the existing criminal code, the EMA wasn’t necessary for these charges to be laid!!

Anyone who takes their kids to something like this is totally irresponsible.

[Guest]

[QUOTE=shtferbrains;532132]When you are suppose to haul a dec contract for canola and you can't haul it till January you must lose $100,000 dolars a day with that truck sitting there in the yard not working that day?
Or do you just go haul some wheat to another location?

Why didnt we see any pictures from the next crossing down the road.
I know a guy hauling US.
They just went to the next crossing. They didnt like it but who is so stupid to believe all that trade is lost?
Can you think or do you just parrot what you hear on CBC.

If the other crossings slowed it down it was because they were told to.
Any goverment that wanted to make it work would put extra people on.
But did they?[/QUOTE
Yes agree


Unlike when the rail line was blocked , there were other crossings

[sawfly1]

All you people with your global tyrany .
Give it a rest. Nothing has changed ,

The hacker on the fund me said the hole has been there for years , there were notes left from other hackers.
You are just mad that Canadians found out the that the alt. right in the US is funding anarchy in Canada.


public health mandates are going anyway.
So tell me what big difference would a
Conservative government have brought to the pandemic.? What ? Not over buy vaccines to insure supply?
Not do everything possible , ignore more science ?
in an effort to get our covid death rate equal to the Americans.
What did you want different?
At least then ,we would not know how good we could have done.

Would conservative preimers have crashed the medical system, because federally the conservatives wanted everyone to get natural immunity?
Then it would have been "well it could not be helped "

The whole thing is a , you do not like Trudeau thing. I get that ,
But we just had and election and Canadians said we do not want a pat King or an ivermecton preacher
In charge of public health.
.
By the way pat King is not hotter than Threasa Tam, if that is your sole criteria for public health experts

[dmlfarmer]

Dml enough with the obfuscation, the match that lit the fire was Justin Trudeau’s vaccine mandate on cross border truckers. Then instead of trying to lower the temperature he poured gasoline on the fire with his statements attacking the demonstrators and those who supported them. The people along the roads and on overpasses cheering as the convoy passed weren’t white supremacists or racists they were people fed up with vaccine mandates. A young couple that live 25 mins. from me loaded up their 3 kids 6 and under and drove all the way from Alberta to Ottawa to participate in the first weekend demonstration not because they wanted to overthrow the government but because they wanted mandates to end.

Now I am certainly not naive, there certainly was some off the wall types that embedded themselves in this demonstration, but the EMA wasn’t necessary just competent policing. I posted for you what Chris Barber was charged with, you didn’t respond, the fact was these charges existed in the existing criminal code, the EMA wasn’t necessary for these charges to be laid!!

Hamloc

Even if Trudeau had dropped the cross border mandate, that would not have opened the border as the US has exactly the same cross border mandate restricitons

And more than 10% or 3.5 million Canadians refuse to get vaccinated so just because lots of people lined the roadways cheering does not mean they support the Ottawa situation today or the weeks of border blockades. I don't like the mandates either, but I also respect laws and democracy which those still in protest do not. There are ways to protest legally and effectively. Simply using leaderless mobs to disrupt life and the economy is neither.

Was the EMA overreach? That will be debated for years. But what is clear now is police did not have the resources before to end the border blockdades, yet within hours of the EMA being implemented the borders were open.

I note not a single person on this forum would stand up and point out which of the 6 points I made yesterday in the existing legislation was government overreach. To me that says that none of you law and order claimants believe the law to be overreach. You are just mad that Trudeau has used the law instead of going in with massive milatary force and ending it immediately as would happen in a true facist regime.

As many posters have said on here repeated, this protest is not about mandates. Good folks like your neighbors are simply being used and sadly do not realize it yet.

[A990]

I have a question for all of you opposed to Trudeau implementing the EMA.

I had some time so did some research into Canadian laws and found this condensation of the act and I really want to know which of these 6 points you disagree with and think is overreach by the government. Is this law to prevent attacks on our country and democracy wrong?

-It creates a new terrorism offence that criminalizes knowingly advocating or promoting “terrorism offences in general” while aware of the possibility that someone else “may” commit such an offence;
-It allows the preventive arrest and detention of a person if it is “likely” to prevent a terrorist activity that a “peace officer” reasonably believes “may” be carried out;
-It creates the new concept of “terrorist propaganda” and allows a judge to order the deletion of such material from the internet;
-It gives the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) the power to take measures to reduce “threats to the security of Canada”, even if doing so would violate the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (the “Charter”) or other Canadian law;
-It allows government institutions to share information with each other about “activities that undermine the security of Canada”; and
-It codifies the Minister’s ability to put Canadians on a “no-fly list”.

... whats happening is definitions are being changed. "Terrorism" is doing a lot of work here. Its becoming the word for anyone with a dissenting view.
.. in the US the Secretary of homeland security issued a statement defining misinformation/malinformation/disinformation, which ties into the "terrorist propaganda" part of this.
....the "malinformation" term is new word that describes "facts" being used to mislead.......let THAT sink in.

...can"t imagine how that could be misused

[Guest]

The best part of all is people voting won’t be at 66 % next time and 18% off the pop of Canada won’t rule

[burnt]

Hamloc

Even if Trudeau had dropped the cross border mandate, that would not have opened the border as the US has exactly the same cross border mandate restricitons

And more than 10% or 3.5 million Canadians refuse to get vaccinated so just because lots of people lined the roadways cheering does not mean they support the Ottawa situation today or the weeks of border blockades. I don't like the mandates either, but I also respect laws and democracy which those still in protest do not. There are ways to protest legally and effectively. Simply using leaderless mobs to disrupt life and the economy is neither.

Was the EMA overreach? That will be debated for years. But what is clear now is police did not have the resources before to end the border blockdades, yet within hours of the EMA being implemented the borders were open.

I note not a single person on this forum would stand up and point out which of the 6 points I made yesterday in the existing legislation was government overreach. To me that says that none of you law and order claimants believe the law to be overreach. You are just mad that Trudeau has used the law instead of going in with massive milatary force and ending it immediately as would happen in a true facist regime.

As many posters have said on here repeated, this protest is not about mandates. Good folks like your neighbors are simply being used and sadly do not realize it yet.

Eeyow! The staggering untruths, blatant contradictions of fact, and confusion!

It's a challenge to determine whether this post is evidence of a committed liar or a "posting while psychotic" episode.

[A990]

Hamloc


Was the EMA overreach? That will be debated for years. But what is clear now is police did not have the resources before to end the border blockdades, yet within hours of the EMA being implemented the borders were open.

I note not a single person on this forum would stand up and point out which of the 6 points I made yesterday in the existing legislation was government overreach. To me that says that none of you law and order claimants believe the law to be overreach. You are just mad that Trudeau has used the law instead of going in with massive milatary force and ending it immediately as would happen in a true facist regime.

As many posters have said on here repeated, this protest is not about mandates. Good folks like your neighbors are simply being used and sadly do not realize it yet.

the border was open before the ema was implemented